Train Ettiquette

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There was a woman in Europe somewhere who used a spray bottle with water and bleach and sprayed it onto men's crutches saw it on morning TV this year.
When my parents get on the train multiple people offer their seats as it should be but they are in their 80s and 90s.
I was sitting on the train a few days ago and some students saw no one sitting down so took some seats. Everyone seems to be on their phone looking at it it was a pleasure the other day on the train to look across at 2 people reading books.

Ramsay123

I'm sure you're not the only one and I think that the behaviours you see on the train reflect the selfish attitudes of so many people. It makes me feel cross thst good old fashioned courtesy seems to have gone by the wayside.

Ramsay123

I'm sure you're not the only one and I think that the behaviours you see on the train reflect the selfish attitudes of so many people. It makes me feel cross thst good old fashioned courtesy seems to have gone by the wayside.

Shaun30656009

No your not the only one :( sorry, but all those things do and still do take place. Their is no silver bullet so to speak to fix this and peoples attitudes and respect. Maybe rail departments need to have an advertising campaign. ?? thats all i can suggest SORRY

Dash26

NO, your not the only one, it frustrates me also, as I am giving other people courtesy by me not pushing in, or I give my seat to an elderly person etc etc where as all of the above mentioned behaviors and attitudes exude nothing but ignorance and lack of courtesy which in this day is getting worse with the society we live in. I was raised to say please and thank you and to show others courtesy, its sad to see its slipped by the wayside.

frannymanny

Funny you should say that. I changed carriages in the train this afternoon because a young man was playing very loud rap music on his phone. Rather than get into a confrontation I got out and changed carriages. I also fume a lot when people's shopping and bags are on the seat that I would rather like to sit on.
I will be 70 next month and I am short . I cannot reach the hanging strap on the train. I think one of the issues is that people are looking at their phones and also have earplugs so they don't notice an old duck lurching around the carriage. If I actually fall on someone they are usually very surprised and will probably offer me a seat.

BernieBear1983

Yeah it bugs me too. But what do you do?

Goulah

I have a friend who has a rather warped sense of humour. She has been a commuter for about 50 years and amuses herself with a smile and a retort as follows to the person who:

Snuffles all the time: "would you like one of my tissues?"
Talks very loudly on the phone: sings nursery rhymes loudly in the ear of the person on the phone
Chats to friends about their goings-on with their boyfriends: "gee your sex life is so much more interesting than mine"
Stands inappropriately close when she is sitting down: "would you please remove your groin from my face".
Will not stand up for her: "may I sit on your lap?"

Goulah

I read your comments and kept nodding my head and saying "yes, yes and yes again". My mode of transport is tram and I have a couple more things to add to the list: standing in the doorway and schoolkids dropping their bags in the middle of the aisles and expecting you to step over them (the bags and sometimes even the kids).

Mondayitis

Agree with everything you said. In Melbourne (CBD) there is a big issue with tram behaviour. The trams are often over crowded and it's such a struggle to get on and off the tram. In peak times there really needs to be conductors to manage passengers getting on and off the trams. People have no regard for others anymore

david

I am 67 male perhaps our upbringing taught us transport manners I always stand to give my seat to people who are pregnant look frail man or woman while as you suggest school kids do not care.i have asked these kids to stand with no response or get stuffed they need rail workers to patrol trains even mothers with kids sitting in seats will not ask them to stand for the elderly etc.the railways would probably say they cannot afford extra staff to save pennies

tessmaegan

Seriously annoying! Another pet peeve is people who sit or stand right beside you and have terrible body odour. Nothing worse!

lonestar

well I agree with few things you noticed really bad such as people loud on mobiles- but I find it's nice option to be a bit loud which is very nice towards the other person on call because the trains are noisy sometimes but not that bad compared to a bus.
and I feel kids even though they pay less they are meant to learn it at school to give respect and a seat to the elderly and be fair. We can't really educate.

but mostly it's a satisfying journey in Sydney trains otherwise. Just give a dirty look and not participate in bad etiquette and everyone follows same:) . Sometimes we need ignore inconvenience because its human nature to make mistakes.

PukPuk

Todays generation only learn two things, how to slack off expecting everything to just be given to them and secondly ïts all about me". Dare say it, with this trend even older generations are loosing their ettiquette showing up in their interaction and consideration of others.

Freedomy

I just read your Train etiquette and I am so with you about poor manners. Who cares what the person up in the next carriage is having for dinner, or what he or she did the night before. I don't care for a strangers life and I also wonder if they speak louder because they want people to know their business, or is it because it is a mobile phone and it is subconsciously a reason to talk louder. But this manners stems into customer service as well.

I find nothing more annoying than you are about to purchase an item that requires a cashier and they start talking to the cashier next to them. Or do something and not acknowledge you.

Next issue people in the streets using their mobiles whilst walking. They have know idea who is in front of them and they expect you to go around them.

So I keep going, manners are like a thing of the past in every aspect of the word. Every where I look I hear rude, see rude and feel rude thrust upon myself and the community at large. The me, me, me attitude is well and truly gone to far.

I know I strayed off your train etiquette, but I felt behaviour all round is not just singled out to the trains.

s

I will not sit if there is only one seat left on the carriage on the train at the side.
Just in case another person older than me gets on and needs the seat.
As it did happen once so I will stand until another seat becomes available.

Instnx

Yes there isn't much respect now days whether offering a seat to a "category" of a person who requires it or comfortable surrounds of personal space / gestures. Mainly for the fact that technology has over ruled face value ~ Enjoy the ride as each time is a memorable one !

hunhun2014

I find catching public transport expensive and it takes you longer to get to your final destination instead of just driving and another negative is you have strangers on the bus with you but if you look at it in a postive way you save petrol money which is quiet expensive at the moment plus car parking money and you are in your own car with your own luxurious surrounding.

summer

I travel by bus and the thing that really bugs me are the people who pretend they are asleep, so they don't have to move over to make more room. however, that does not stop me I just push in. The bus starts at the local shopping centre and gets really full and I hop on the next stop and you see then these "pretend" to be asleep people. already

socker

I travel every day by train to work and when I am lucky enough to get a seat I just read my book and ignore what is happening. If you let it worry you the only one whose day is spoilt is yours.

CindyMay

I know exactly how you feel, as I used to experience the very same issues. I'm retired now so don't have to put up with it anymore. I once was carrying two large brown paper bags full of food which were leaking out the bottom and had high heels on, yet no-one offered me a seat. By the time we got to Burwood Railway Station, I was the only one left standing who had got on the train in the City, Someone who was sitting stood up to get off at Burwood, the seat was taken by male who got off the train the next station at Strathfield! I still didn't get the seat!

s

One way Sydney trains has addressed the mobile phone issue is by creating quiet carriages and these are great if you can get one on your service.

I try not to use the train between 2pm- 3.30pm as sometimes you can hardly hear your self think as the schoolchildren make such a noise.
And also at times I have found I have to go to another train door as the train doorway is full of children.

Aliyaraya

I totally agree with you there is no train ettiquette. No one stands for elderly people any more, school students just look at you as if your crazy and don't offer their seat to anyone. The are no longer gentlemen left in this world where they stand up for you, hold the door open etc. Was female equality really worth all of this? I believe that children have a rights to but have we gone to far? They certainly don't respect their elders or anyone else or property.

Anonymous

I completely agree with this. I sometimes catch the train, and whenever I do, these problems always occur. I hate it when people are so inconsiderate and just bump straight into others and don't even acknowledge that they have done something wrong. Also, it really frustrates me when there are teenagers using loud or offensive language on public transport, such as trains.

Sil sil

Well for many years i caught the train to North Sydney from Eastwood for college. So i had loads of stuff to carry & made a point to just squeeze in somewhere & stand the entire trip with my stuff next to me. I don't like the fact that younger people & men don't stand up for females. I if your sitting close your legs, trust me i doubt its THAT BIG. I dont like loud mobile converstationg or blaring earphones. If you have a cold & are blowign your nose, best stand near the exit to take advantage of freah air when doors open, rather than carrying germs into a cabin. When i was pregnant, i found understanding women gave me their seat most often. I hate seeing feet on seats & eating strong smelling food is not right. What can i say, i like using my car now, but find lack of respect everywhere.

Gummy Bear

Add one more to the train etiquette - The use of tissues or hankerchief!

How many have been stuck on a train, listening to people who continually snort and sniff instead of using a tissue? They they swallow it! Makes me want to puke.

Crapper

I particularly dislike the people who spend their trip shovelling food into their mouths, especially the noisier varieties such as chips. I suppose I must be getting old (but not deaf).

Ambrose

After years of public transport use, and being a polite school student amongst the wider population of selfish, inconsiderate students, I have come to realise that the problem is essentially unsolvable. Impolite people exist everywhere but in a train or bus they are more visible.
I've found that an attitude of acceptance and calmness is the only way to remain sane! Lead by example and hope that someone will learn from you...

Kris

I am newly using Trains after moving to a new City, however, I have found people to be very rude on occasions.

Most of the time people are just doing the right thing. I have noticed that seats are not always offered to the elderly. One day travelling my father took a priority seat for the elderly/nursing mothers etc while I stood next to him leaving the other priority seat available next to him. A group of very rude, low socioeconomic, youths appeared and demanded my father give up his seat as one of them was a nursing mother who wanted her friend to sit next to her. We were both shocked by the rudeness, but also frightened and threatened. Fortunately for my father many onlookers were appalled and offered him their seat.
This makes me feel like 90% of people are doing the right things, its just the 10% that don't really stand out.

annie

I agree with most people that the young adults of today do not seem to have manners or respect for older people.I was always taught to stand up on a train or bus for an elderly person.

sab5

train etiquette well lol used to use bus train then bus to work really a rare time when these values came into place

PukPuk

Might be good to introduce the key principle of using a spa. Have a shower first for the health and comfort of other users.

frannymanny

no!you are nothe only one! I recently spent some time in Sydney and would you velieve the first carriage was a "quiet" carriage. No loud conversations ,no gratuitous music, no yelling and hootling.Heavenly!

Errol

Actually for some people who sit at a desk all day long, standing on the train may actually be good for their posture and general health.
The values that you mentioned are not limited to train travel, Respect for each other is a rare value these value these days. For all your friends who will stand up for an elderly person or pregnant lady good on you - keep it up

Errol

You are NOT the only one !!! People pushing in just to get inside the train first. I am sure that people don't even realise that they are doing it - its just natural to them. Also high school students taking up seats at half price when elderly passengers stand all the way. Honouring the elderly has largely disappeared from our culture. Some people sitting in a '3' seat appear very reluctant to move to the middle to let another paying passenger sit down

Anonymous

yes am agree to u ,same suitation i been facing since long time,specially when you r u tired from work or had bad day or any stress, where u have to wait long time for train and where all the time u have to stand

Anonymous

No!!!!! All your points are valid. It would seem the general travelling public and especially the youth have no training or ideas in good manners and politeness. I would also add those people at the platform who stand directly in front of the doorways obstructing the exit of passengers alighting from the train.

Anonymous

I couldn't agree more.
The other day I was on the train, heading into the city for Uni and there was this Male ages about 17 sitting in the Priority seating, the train was packed being that time of the morning. This heavily pregnant women entered the train and stood in front of him, 2 separate people asked him if he would stand so the women could sit and he just looked up at them, pointed at his ear phones which were blasting music and then carried on starring into space.
This sort of behaviour is disgusting and the youth of today show absolutely NO respect for anyone

dave

its rude

dave

get a car its easyier

Anonymous

Unfortunately, that is the world we live in these days. And people just aren't as social and compassionate for others as they once were.
I really think people just need to learn a few things and that would make the world a better place.
My suggestion - put the ipod headphones in and crank it up and forget about what everyone around you is doing!

Ian

No!!!!! All your points are valid. It would seem the general travelling public and especially the youth have no training or ideas in good manners and politeness. I would also add those people at the platform who stand directly in front of the doorways obstructing the exit of passengers alighting from the train.

gadgetgeek

Basically this situation on Sydney's appalling rail service has been deteriorating during the past decade. Sydney needs a metro yesterday! Many people do seem to move too slow, oblivious to others needs to catch interconnecting services, often running late due to unreluabld State Snail timetables

Pegasus

Basically this situation on Sydney's appalling rail service has been deteriorating during the past decade. Sydney needs a metro yesterday! Many people do seem to move too slow, oblivious to others...

Nothing much has changed over the last 40 years in Sydney - the trains have got newer, the population exploded and now virtually includes anywhwere within 100 miles of the city. In the 1950's trains were overcrowded and rarely ran to time in peak hour. Back then at least people had a few more manners.
It only takes one breakdown in peak hour to cause CHAOS! I worked for the NSWGR at Strathfield signal box in the 60's and the problems have never been addressed - poor maintenance of the per-way and the trains. That was what caused the Granville disaster, the train jumped the track and brought the bridge down becauuse the loco was not correctly maintained and nor was the track. Successive state Governments have done the usual song about it all (Promises promises) but when it comes to dealing out the dollars, politicians pay rises are more important. In 50 years from now I don't think it will be any different - I just won't be here to say "See, I told you so."

gadgetgeek

LT7 I commute 40 mins on inner Sydney cattle truck condition trains. For the past 3 years I was commuting 3 hrs each way from the South coast to Sydney. As such sevices were slow, late with poor infrequent connections. Nothing got my goat more than slow Sydney commuters who have no etiquette themseves, slowly ambling into the carriage, holding up people behind them, selfishly causing them to miss their train just because they are slow moving, checking their phone etc. Now that IS poor etiquette. Busy trains require people to move with the need for fast people traffic movement. It is selfish to move as slow as s snail and expect other commuters to miss their train due to your own lack of consideration...that other people might want to get to work on time possibly?

matey2

because of the popularity of train travel it is now very hard to monitor those few that spoil it for others, as a train manager, ie the one that opens the doors, if i see adults standing and students sitting i approach them and tell to either pay a full fare or make way for the full paying passenger, this works 90% of the time, there are people who sit in the seats just to the left and right of the doors with their feet stretched right out so that in order for me to pass i continuely tell them to get their feet out from the aisle, this is a frustrating problem and its mostlyl men that do this one time i just about tripped over these feet, when we got to newmartket i asked the passenger where he was going, he said Manurewa, i informed him that unless he moved his feet this train was not moving and that in order for him to get home he better stand or catch another train or get his feet out of my pathway, i will not ask you again, consequently he got the message.

Pegasus

because of the popularity of train travel it is now very hard to monitor those few that spoil it for others, as a train manager, ie the one that opens the doors, if i see adults standing and...

Ha, obviously you are in Auckland. At first I tthought Brisbane because Newmarket is a Brisbane suburb but then it doesn't have a train station. I worked for NZR (as it was then) for 1/2 day about 40 years ago and things din't seem so bad back then.
We have the same problems in Brisbane (I don't travel by train or PT fortunately) and even years ago when I lived in Sydney the problems were overcrowded trains and buses, being squished up against someone who absolutely reeked of garlic and having nowhere to go and on an express that didn't stop for 20 mins. When I lived in Sydney - 1960's to 70's and had to catch a train home from the city I found a trick was to catch the train in the opposite direction for a couple of stations to where my train originated and get on there - at least I could usually bget a seat for my 1 hour trip home.

In Brisbane QR have introduced 'Quiet Cars' where mobile phones, radios and loud conversation is banned - maybe Kiwi Rail could learn a lesson from QR. There have been instances here of people being ejected from the train for bad behaviour and we have POLICE patrols on night trains to curb violence and other unsavoury behaviour.

When I was a kid (and I am now a grandfather) my mother always made me get up for a lady or old person and I was taught respect. Trouble is this generation of teenagers and young adults (generally speaking - there are exceptions) never got taught RESPECT. My son hated the word respect, now he is a parent with a teenage daughter and demands respect from her. He gets what he gave.

We all need to stop and look at the way society is going. If we continue this way it will end in more gangs and gang related violence because no-one will give an inch. Our legal systems are also to blame - punishment never fits the crime.

Some years ago I read in a magazine a letter from a woman who was obviously of my generation commenting about children's behaviour. She said her father was a Police Sgt in a country town. If Little Johnny got caught pinching lollies at the corner store he was handed over to the Sgt. who gave him a No. 11 where it hurt, took him home to his father who gave him another one and grounded him for 6 months.
Now the law says you can't even smack your children and the kids tell the Police and their parents to go get ****ed and nothing happens to them as a result so they just keep up the bad behaviour and by the time they are adults they have often been in prison at least once.

We have to start by looking top the past for how to shape the future. Change our own standards and behaviour. often financial pressures mean both parents are working long hours and kids are left to their own devices. We use TV as a babysiutter and give our kids rewards for bad behaviour so what do we expect? What have we taught them? If you want something, chuck a tantrum and you'll get it just to shut you up.

kdavis084

Thaat happens to me all the time, I have 2 children, one in a pram and when I get on the train the school kids pretend not to see me so I have to stand all the time. When I try to get off the train carrying my 3yr old daughter and getting my baby in the pram out they still shove past me to get in the train, even though they see me struggling to get off. This day and age people dont have any manners anymore

MandMm

People pushing in front if you is just rude. And if it's a problem, mention it to them. May make them stop and think before they do it again.
In regard to the high school students, I feel that despite the fare paid, they are entitled to sit down just as much as the next person. Would a fit, able bodied pensioner who may have paid a smaller fare be expected to give up their seat for a younger person who has paid a full fare?
It does get frustrating when everyone seems to be inconsiderate, but just think, as long as you keep acting in a courteous way, people will see this and perhaps learn from your example.

MandMm

Ideally everyone should be aware of the space around them. If you want to stop in the shopping mall, you move to the side so you don't interfere with the human traffic. In regard to school children on the train- even though they are paying a 'portion' of the fare, I think that they are entitled equally to a seat as anyone else. If anyone is blocking the door on the train, it's as simple as saying 'excuse me' in a polite way. I have never had anyone not move aside after politely asking. People soemtimes are distracted, or unaware that they are in the way. They don't deliberately get in your way, and if they do, just be polite and ask them to move.
If you lead by example, you will find that people will follow your good example.

LT17

Thanks so much for your replies everyone! It's nice to know that I'm not alone in feeling this way, and there are people with manners out there!

riaria0203

No you're not the only one!! I have also noticed that public transport ettiquette in general has degraded over the years. Pretty sad really! What annoys me most when commuting on the train are men taking up one and a half seats when really they have only paid for the one seat but also how people ignore the 'priority seat' signs!!! They should be left available to those that need it. The very other day an elderly couple with walking frames/sticks were forced to walk to the seats in the middle of the train because no one would offer their seats.

Rosem

I like the way people are asked to get on and off trains in some countries, such as people getting off do so from thesides of the entry to the train and those getting on do so in the middle of the entry. HGowever this does mean that poles cannot be in the middle of the entry to the carriage.

Beside feet on seats it is peole who have loud conversations on their mobile phones for for up to an hour that really annoy, as well as people whose earphone sleak booming noise

Martin

There was a discussion on the general rudeness of people today, in this morning's "Life Matters" (ABC- Radio National). Basically the argument was that sometimes people just don't realize that they're being rude, and that you can deal with it by asking them to move over ( in the case of men with legs), or stand up ( in the case of school students).
There's also the cultural influence : in Japan and China (and other countries I bet), you have to push to get on or off the trains. It always irritates me when I stand back behind the yellow line and someone comes up on the outside lane and parks themselves right in front of the door, effectively blocking people getting off. That's just bloody rudeness! But I guess people are tired, and manners require effort that just seems too much.

socker

There was a discussion on the general rudeness of people today, in this morning's "Life Matters" (ABC- Radio National). Basically the argument was that sometimes people just don't realize that...

I have never been to China but in Japan people are very polite and their cities are spotless. I was surprised and suggest that if you ever have the opportunity to visit Japan you should take it. They do however stand very close when in a crowd. Not like Australians who like to keep their personal space

I do notice though when they are on bus tours they take over on arriving at a tourist destination.

LT17

There was a discussion on the general rudeness of people today, in this morning's "Life Matters" (ABC- Radio National). Basically the argument was that sometimes people just don't realize that...

I guess it's also the point of - if one person does it, then I might as well do it, and it's an re-occuring trend. Hopefully we don't get to the stage they are at in Japan and China!

R I O

WELL, LT17 , YOUR OBSERVATIONS ON THE LACK OF MANNERS & MANNERISMS AS WELL AS ' ETTIQUETTE ' PERTAIN NOT ONLY TO TRAINS BUT VERY MUCH " TO THE LACK OF 'ROAD SENSE' FROM PEDESTRIANS !!!

EVERY BODY IS ON & HAS HIS / HERS OWN ' AGENDA ' AS IT WERE ON STREET FOOTPATHS !!! PEOPE ON QUEEN STREET IN CAMPBELLTOWN FOR EXAMPLE GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THEIR ROAD SENSE >>> THEY EITHER WALK IN ' HORIZONTAL ' GROUPS OCCUPYING THE ENTIRE FOOTPATH OR WALK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOOTPATH ' PUTTING HIM / HER APPROACHING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION IN A BIG DECISION PREDICAMENT & PROBLEM & IN A RATHER ANNOYING MOOD WHICH COULD VERY POSSIBLY END UP INTO A HEATED ARGUMENT OR COME TO A BIG BRAWL OR FIGHT RIGHT ON THE STREET SIMPLY BCZ. ALL ROAD MANNERS ARE ' LEFT TO THE WIND ' !!!

ARE WE FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLES OF THE 'UNCIVILISED & THIRD WORLD ' INDIAN POULATION SIMPLY BCZ THEY ARE ' HAPPY TO BE DIRTY & WE IN AUSTRALIA ARE NOT !!! THIS IS SO UNAUSTRALIAN & SO
'DISARMING ' & IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN NSW AUSTRALIAN STREETS !!! WE SIMPLY CANNOT FORGET OUR TIES WITH U K
& WHAT WE LEARNT IN OUR CONVENT SCHOOLS !!! WHAT IS WRONG WHERE & WHY IS THIS HAPPENING ???

PLEASE ' WAKE UP TO THE CALL OF GOOD ETTIQUETTE ' & GOOD MANNERS , PLEASE !!! MANNERS MAKETH A MAN & GENTLEMANLY & LADY LIKE BEHAVIOURS WILL NOT BE REGRETTED . NEVER EVER !!! >> RIO

Lon008

Hi

I too am appalled at people's manners these days, especially on trains and also in the office.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took their backpacks off when they got on the train, instead of knocking you as they pass?

Wouldn't it be nice if people waited patiently for passengers to disembark before racing to get on the train and get a seat?

Wouldn't it be nice, if when the lift opened, that a gentleman would wait for you (a lady) to enter first?

Wouldn't it be nice if people spoke quietly on the trains, not only on their mobiles, but when having a conversation with the person next to them?

Wouldn't it be nice if passengers didn't put their feet on the seats?

These are just a few examples of bad manners, let's hope that they don't get any worse.

Have a great day
KT

Goulah

Hi

I too am appalled at people's manners these days, especially on trains and also in the office.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took their backpacks off when they got on the...

There is one reply only and that is "bloody optimist".

LT17

I couldn;'t agree with you more! Schoolkids standing near the door with their school bags on the floor so you have to step over them to get off the train and they make no attempt to move, just look...

I really agree about walking on the left hand side of the footpath. People will barge right through you as if it's a game of chicken and you are in their way. Very frustrating. I had a women recently who did this to me, and we were both stuck there for a moment while we both bumped in to each other as I was trying to get out of her way. You know when you stop, one person goes one way and the other goes that way, and then you try the other way and they do the same. Very awkward. She turned to me and said "For F's Sake!" and when I looked at her in astonishment, and "How dare you!" she got very embarrased and walked off. Not only are people walking to the right side, when you try to get out of their way, you are abused for it!

glendaj

Hi

I too am appalled at people's manners these days, especially on trains and also in the office.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone took their backpacks off when they got on the...

I couldn;'t agree with you more! Schoolkids standing near the door with their school bags on the floor so you have to step over them to get off the train and they make no attempt to move, just look at you like you are at fault. People not standing back on the platform to allow you to get off without falling down between the train and the platform especially at busy stations.

I was brought up to stand and wait and not be impatient. So what if you don't score a seat. It's not the end of the world! And I am a woman.

I was also taught to walk on the left hand side of the footpath but this seem to be a thing of the past. I think people today are in such a hurry and don't really care what they are doing to other people, just their own agenda is all that matters.

jamatock

your right where haveall the old time values gone like courtesy like ladies first please &thank you isnt anybody taught manners anymore its not all children that do this sort of thing many adults are guilty as well . i see this every day

david

your right where haveall the old time values gone like courtesy like ladies first please &thank you isnt anybody taught manners anymore its not all children that do this sort of thing many...

completely agree give us older folk a go/well said jamatock

3lions

Hi LT17,

Sadly, that's the way it seems to be these days, it's not only in trains, it happens everywhere, thoughts of others do not even their heads. It's very sad, but the days of people getting up to give you a seat, are long gone. I'm sure like myself there are still a few of us who will do it, and help others, but we are a special few :)

Hope your trips improve, so at least you get an enjoyable ride to work :)

All the best

Lise