water pipe line
Posted by: stretch
6th Feb 2013 11:06am
why is it that in australia we dont have a way of moving flood water from one part of australia to another during periods of flood
we could use it when there are heavy periods of fire as well as drought
if it were oil or natural gas then we would have investers from all over the world as has been proven by the natural gasses in the ground in nsw
the idea was broadcasted and it involves aproxametely a 4 foot pipe that runs from state to state and when floods are around the pipe is opened and a solar powered pump is activated and the water is run from state to state where the creeks and rivers are running dry or the farmers need water for there crops or dams to water there live stock
all we need is the government to take a paycut or reduce there long service leave to assist with the funding of a much needed water retriever
or maybe a member of the public to start a water idea that can be used again and again to assist with many problems
we could use it when there are heavy periods of fire as well as drought
if it were oil or natural gas then we would have investers from all over the world as has been proven by the natural gasses in the ground in nsw
the idea was broadcasted and it involves aproxametely a 4 foot pipe that runs from state to state and when floods are around the pipe is opened and a solar powered pump is activated and the water is run from state to state where the creeks and rivers are running dry or the farmers need water for there crops or dams to water there live stock
all we need is the government to take a paycut or reduce there long service leave to assist with the funding of a much needed water retriever
or maybe a member of the public to start a water idea that can be used again and again to assist with many problems
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s
Great idea, as during the last flood some water did go to the dry Lake Eyre.
But with this idea the water could be used for the farmers for there crops and cattle where the farmers are struggling and having to move there cattle to other parts of NSW this would save farmers money and increase crop production.
If it was the Labor government that was in power there may be a slim chance of this idea going ahead.
But with the Liberal government not even funding a cure of a disease because of the cost and cutting back services in the public health system also cuts to services for youth this will not go ahead with the Liberal government in power as their main objective is to have a surplus budget no matter the cost to the public.
ozziedigger
This subject is not a "pie in the sky " unimportant rave by uninformed people .This
will be the excuse politicians will use unless their job comfort is disturbed,eg. by the aforementioned "stirrers"------us ??.
This subject is beyond politicians,it`s just too important and must be started
soon. It can`t be done at the polls,it would have to be done by the people who would benefit from having world feeding crops and livestock ,in other words, by all Australians.
This is where the project starts-----and perhaps----finishes.
Do Australians care ?? Do they care enough ----??
There are many many reasons for this irrigation fix to start now .What reason is there not to start now ? Please ,someone tell me of one reason !
simla
Hi ozziedigger, a worrying thought just occurred to me. Maybe 'the powers that be' think we do not have a future, with Nasser planning to 'anchor' an asteroid somewhere the moon, so as to set up a base to blast the huge possible 'Earth impacting ' meteor that is heading our way in 2029, only 15 years away now.
That could explain a lot. We will need to get very busy if that is a likely possibility. Hope that is not what is stalling their 'water pipeline' projects.
lpoup
Solar, not enough power
Pipe size 3meters to expensive
States do not cooperate
Water is money controlled by the oil companies
ozziedigger
A great subject Stretch, and very good replies .I am pleased you all have delved into this problem , and i pray all this may be the start of at least,a public awareness
movement .I have pondered this for 40 years and have been forced to lose faith in all governments and most humans .If there isn`t a quick dollar in it for them personally, the job will not get done .Mountains must be moved to allow rain to get to the other side of the Great Dividing Range and then use infrastructure to take over .If I had started 40 yrs ago with a shovel I would have achieved more than the political parties have over the years. lol
socker
socker
The biggest obstacle is cost.
A few years ago South East Queensland was experiencing a severe drought and looked like running out of water. The then government instigated a number of water conservation strategies. Included using treated sewage for cooling at the power plants, constructing a desalinization plant and building pipe lines to connect the dams in the surrounding areas.
Then it rained and we had an election with the opposition now in power they halted the drought proofing construction. They then blamed the construction of the water conservation strategies as a reason for the high cost of our water.
So next drought, and there will be one, South East Queensland will be in the same or worse position as developers have built many more homes but nothing has been down to drought proof the place
del31
great topic and plenty of good responses. they discussed pipelines 20 years ago- nothing done but u never know. 100 years ago they dicussed a rail line from Brisbane to Redcliffe and here it is 2014 and we only have 6 years to go.
simla
yes, you have to start somewhere, from little things big things come.
Where are the engineers, hydrologists?
Romans designed HUGE aqua-ducts using ancient engineering means. These went for many miles. No engines to pump the water, no solar powered turbines. These methods are still used in third world countries, counter-weights and balancing mechanisms, into open channels, no pipes necessary, or only in certain places where hydraulics are needed and water pressure is needed to build up.
As you say, in Australia, first things first, start by capping the overflowing, wasted artesian bores.
Also in South America, the Mayan terraces had water flow uphill to water the terrace gardens. cheers
jjdrer
The Ord River in North West WA near Kunnunara has so much water in it and is dammed, A lot of experimental planting of various food crops are in the area surround it. There are boxes in which the orchardists etc can put a form saying how much water they need. The 1st crop originally trialled was cotton but it was not sucessful.They can't use all the water and I believe some of it eventually flows out to sea. It is too expensive to pipe down even to the lower sections of WA. I don't know if soil types involved in supporting in the structure are an issue. The bananas grown up there are excellent and much tastier than those grown in NSW and Qld. Even people travelling on Tours who come from the eastern state growing areas commented about them.
We have relatives living on farms in the Murraylands of SA south of Murray Bridge who originally had to rely entirely on rain water. Some were fortunate to able to use bore water. They were eventually connected to mains water which they use for their sheep, and in the house if their huge rainwater tanks empty in a long drought. They wait until they have full loads when doing their laundry. They have always used a large bowl of water fitted into a stand to wash their hands outside in the shade and change it when it gets really dirty. In the old days for many years they bathed once a week. The cleanest people always bathed first. In between in the hot water they had "sponge baths" using a bowl of water which was used for other purposes afterwards.
jjdrer
IN SA there is a pipeline that transfers water from Morgan on the Murray River to Whyalla on Eyre Peninsula....but I don't know much it is used or whether another water source has been found for Whyalla which had a lot of industries there and as a result a higher population than a lot of country towns did at that time.
Now water from theRiver Murray is restricted so much that a lot of orchards and other farming areas are not allowed nearly enough water to survive at all.
Yet it is used for growing cotton - a lot of it is transported overseas for manufacture.
Also huge fields of rice are/were grown in NSW which virtually live in water - permanently flooded.
Suzitonto
We do already have the pipeline - it used to be the Murray-Darling river system, but since the Murray has been locked and much of the water from Qld diverted to cotton farms, this natural system no longer works. As for solar powered pumps on 4' pipes - I work for a mobile crane company - and that's what it takes to move the pumps on these pipelines. Sorry - that's a pipe dream to think that those pumps can be powered by a few solar cells. As for flooding like Brisbane experienced - it could only ever go out to sea. Look at a topographical map. We need to fix our major river systems, stop growing cotton and rice, and allow our artesian basins to replenish.
Suzitonto
So do I when possible - although it is hard to find rice that isn't grown in Australia. We have no business growing it here. Sometimes supporting Australia's long term interests means not buying Australian.
jjdrer
As much as I try to support Australian Made, I buy imported rice and usually imported cotton clothing (reasonable quality Aust. cotton clothing is almost impossible to get anyway - my only concern is the chemicals some manufacturers use to stop them creasing in transit and most things are labelled to wash before use.
simla
That's right stretch, we need the pollies to listen. Seems we have to 'keep at it', then something may eventually happen. The 'pulp mill issue' in Tasmania,is an excellent example of what public opinion can do. The public and medical profession banded together to object to the pollution it would cause and it hasn't happened.
We need to keep on about the importance of water resources!
simla
Yes stretch, the pipeline could be made to carry the run-off from storms ans floods. Look at China, and the dams that are deep(to avoid excess evaporation) The experts (hydrologists) have the knowledge to utilize the ancient technologies like the Pelton Wheel, (a mini water-wheel) that can pump water as well as generate electricity. We have heaps of solar power as well.
All we need is for the government to prioritize it, for it to happen. May-be we should start a 'Water Pipeline Party'?
stretch
if we could get the politicians to listen it would be great and the people could then say we have equal say in a lot more matters
and just maybe in the third world they may even start to be a little self religant aspecially with the valuable source of life water
simla
Yes you are right stretch, we were warned. Dr David Suzuki was on about the state of the world if we didn't act fast enough to curb the effects of climate change. We in our ignorance, with our head in the sand, like a stupid ostrich, didn't act soon enough, now we are experiencing that which was accurately described back in the 80's.
The only recourse is to try to do enough to compensate for that change, and assume that the scientists, who have done the study to know about
such things, know what they are talking about.
Australia is such a dry continent, that any scheme to supply water should be given urgent attention. Food is going to become so scarce in Australia, as well as the rest of the world, that the price will rise so much that it will become viable to invest huge amounts of capital in supplying water.
'Nobody made any money out of dust', is an old farmers saying, and it holds true as much today as much as ever, if not more so.
Economical ways of pumping water may be the linchpin that makes it possible. Hydrologists are needed to research methods, economical in terms of energy consumption, with ease of application.
The old reliable,but slow, 'ram pump' could be a starting point. It needs only the weight of water to function.
big-kev
Don't lose sight of the big picture. Even though it might seem like we have excessive water (in some areas), it is essential for groundwater recharge (i.e. Great Artesian Basin). A better idea might be to continue work on controlling the uncapped artesian bores that have been left running for 100 years or maybe longer! Then we might have a real water surplus instead of a perceived one!
Pegasus
ha ha, you are joking, right? Get Politicians to listen... who are you kidding. They don't listen to anyone because they (think) they know everything..they have all the advisers etc. who will tell them that Global Warming isn't real or won't affect us or at least not in their political lifetime so let someone-else worry about it.; have you ever known a politician to concern them-self with 20 - 50 years down the track? And if one politician says we should act now the others will say lets do a study into it, waste a few million dollars and ignore the result or say it is "inconclusive" and therefore requires more "in depth" study - a few more millions of dollars.
Unless it will benefit them in some way, politicians won't get off their arse to do anything. I am sure they even have some junior to wipe it for them.
stretch
if only we could get the politicians to listen like it seems you have it would be a lot easier on the next gerneration
i understand we need to change our ways as quickly as possible to make sure australia can stand on its own legs and become a sustanable ecology is what we need to try and find within our own shores beforer we become a third world country
as ell to try and produce a few more items fro the weisted country of carmers that have had there ively hood killed of by politicians
simla
Let's hope someone out there sees this, and knows the answer, and adds their info. Would be good to follow up. Maybe some environment group will get the notion to take things further.
stretch
ok i understand there are people that wont believe what scientists can predict
we were worned it would happen and will continue to reocure
with large lightning storms wich cause fires and floods that lead to famine
we were informed of a storm that happened to queensland more than 30 years ago and it was long term predicted with machines not a person with extra sensory prediction
maybe the government needs to open a few of the old files and have aq lok at who was employed to lok at what is to happen to us as humans and look at the animals we need to look out for
then we could save lives and finances as well not loose face with a large group of countries that were informed of what could be expected
monicag8
I don't think it was considered too necessary until it was known how high the water could rise. With Qld floods everyone was is shock when the city was flooded 2010. It was like Amazon jungle flooding, and no one knew exactly how high the water could rise despite the fact that flooding happens every year.
stretch
i would be even better if the government would recognise and releaser the complete findings they recieved to the public the name of the organisation could save millions of lives and the finances saved by rescue groups would be untoled
i have been informed thay the government had the same research results more than 30 years ago when queensland was hit by a large hurricane and this is by a person that tells the truth acording to many people
simla
An excellent idea. Especially as we will need to be creative with ideas for alternative methods of farming in the future. If the present climate is an indication of things to come.eg:- more regular floods and fires, we will be thinking of water as the new "Gold". Where will we all get our food from when regular crop failures are the norm?
stretch
I HEARD THE IDEA FROM A LONG TERM IMPACT STUDY THAT HAS BEEN VERY ACURATE AND HAVE FOUND OUT THE GOVERNMENT TURNED A BLIND EYE TO THERE FULL STUDYS COMPLATED ON AUSTRALIA
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY HAVE RELOCATED TO
THEY DID DIFFERENT PARTS OF AUSTRALIA AND WERE PAID FOR THER TIME THEN BROADCASTED THERE FINDINGS WHEN THE LOCALS CLAIMED THEY WERE SPEAKING MIS TRUTHS