Do you want to vote for the labor in the coming elections.
Posted by: Sri
11th Feb 2012 02:05pm
Australia is said to because the lucky country.the reason we call Australia a lucky country is because of the wealth we have and the care we get from the government.according to the figures when liberals left there was 20 billion $ surplus .now we are in defecit in excess of 40 billion $.do you still believe Australia will because a lucky country with labour government?
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sydneynick
Yes
supernigel
well well its not all about money guys. its how you live and the freedoms that you get here in this great country. i dont agree with what julia did to kevin but i was of the mind she would always be the next prime either way. so far she has done a great job here any right minded man would also be proud to have such a woman as there daughter. its not easy at the top and even harder to stay there so i say well done keep up the good work labour team. we have faired well in very hard times look around you and how the rest of the world is doing spain good example of what can happen tony should give up politics and take up boxing thats were his talent lies i dont think he is for the world stage in any other form
Anonymous
i use to vote liberal ,all my life , not now, one reason we were in surplus because they rip us australians and thieve off us every way they can.they dont care about us they only care about there own income and the commomwealth money pool .for example, my brother and i built a new home 2 years ago and you would not beleive all the gst laws they got to trap you if you dont do it right. and they exspect you to know. we bought the block 2nd hand so no gst on it only on the new home we put on it. sounds alright heh. your wrong. if you dont have a letter that you have to write out and get the new buyer to sign it to let him know your using the margin scheme to pay the tax to the goernment you have to pay gst on the whole estate when you sell it . and they know the gst has been paid on it by the last buyer, through the stamp duty they know who bought it. thats just right out thieving of you .we didnt get trapped by that one but we did by a couple of other things.
so we dont build anymore, so now less work we create
less tax they get. gee there real smart are,nt they. even the labour goverment doubled the stamp duty in qld that killed the housing industry ,i got lots of things to tell you there to, it does not matter who is in power there all evil thieves. if they really care about us they can give me back the money we lost because we delt with them . if i knew this at the beginning i would have never started a buisness , it,s best just to do nothing in life the australian government taught me that.
CAT17
Sounds like what has happened to you and your business is more about State government (that would be the previous Blyth government) I think a lot of Queenslanders have been let down. I think things are going to be tough in Qld, for a long time because of the massive debt that Blyth Labor left behind ( they did not know how bad it was until the new government came in). You are right about small business people doing it tough, makes you wonder why anyone would go into business. My husband and I went into business after leaving steady jobs in the Public Service. Boy what a mistake that was! Our retirement would have been a lot less stressful. We have sold the business and have fully retired now, but I do understand how difficult running a business is. All that red tape, gst, staff problems etc etc. Don't blame another political party for what has happened to you. Individual State governments have a lot to answer for. Wont there be plenty of building work in Qld to rebuild after the flood? I wish you well and hope things get better. I am glad I have retired and only have to worry about getting older!!
mistymae53
I won't be in a hurry to vote Labor especially if Julia Gillard leads the party to the next election, the alternative is Liberal. I will most likely vote Liberal, but honestly I'm not sure that isn't simply due to lack of choice at this point. I'm not personally impressed with Julia Gillard or Tony Abbott, but spoilt for choice. Australia I think by comparison to a lot of other countries is still the "lucky country" but I don't think that is due to great governing by the Labor Party! We have Medicare, we have government benefits even if inadequate, we have freedom of speech, our country does have hope, some countries are not lucky enough even to have any vague hope of things improving in the future! But like you I am worried and disillusioned at this point in time, if Labor wins the next election with Julia Gillard still breaking promises that will be frightening!
alikisweetie
Never would I vote for labour, it is filled with snakes who prefer to waste funding on schemes which are never backed up and they don't even follow their words.
errolsyd
You are dead right, vote labor or greens HAHAHA I do not want to continue the destruction of Australia.
des
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO labor federal or state unfortunately the others don't give me much inspiration either. None of them could lay straight in bed if they tried. It's a business now days and they are all out for themselves not the people they are supposed to be looking after.
mud
no
Ganic12
It's known thing that Liberals are much better in economy,no doubt. Labour Party is always focused more on social justice but in same time they are big spenders.Australia achieved a big prosperity and high reputation in world under Liberal Party,more precisely during John Howard spell.
mortgageblues
The Australian economy underperforms the rest of the world under Howard and out performs it under Labor....are you sure you are on the right horse here?
col001
Sri I'm right with you.
Under the current governments policies Australia is heading towards a socialist democracy. The question is is that what you want, I don't.
A comment was raised that Abbott was a confessed lier. His comment was actually taken out of context. His only crime was making that comment in front of the media.
On the other hand Gillard did acknowledge she back flipped on her comment that she would not introduce a carbon tax while leader and during this term. Many voted for her because of this statement, wonder how they feel. Her excuse being the need to secure the green's support.
Computers in schools. There are a number of parents in Queensland not very happy as they have to pay for their children to have access to these computers. Weren't they supposed to be free.
NBN. Comparisons have been made with Japan who have a similar network in their country. Japan can fit inside Queensland several times and there still would be room. Japan has 5 times Australia's population. Less infrastructure needed and more people to share the cost burden. Why are we trying to buy a Maserati when all we can afford is a Holden.
Stimulus. You are officially declared in recession when you have 3 consecutive months of negative growth. That doesn't mean you are not experiencing a recession, it's just not recorded in the record books as a recession. $100 k is a lot of money just to keep your name out of the record books, and it neally didn't come off because we had several months of negative growth interspersed with two months of less than .5 % positive growth (stimulus). Vanity I would call it.
peter
I would ask that before anyone bases their choices on what Tony Abbott may say , please read this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frfkvr-1225867979082
paradox
Peter, I cannot believe the size blinkers you are wearing. Government spending is out of control with no realistic way of repaying the misspent and borrowed money. It is not this Governments doing that we are still economically viable. It is purely and simply the efforts of the Mining industry that's holding the country up. It's all lies , smoke and mirrors with Labor in charge. They are to interested in their own welfare and the power they wield to worry about people on the poverty line or pensioners that cannot get pain relieving operations or somewhere to call home. Refugees are treated better than long suffering citizens of this once great lucky country. Sure shore up the big banks with our money but don't pack any teeth into the package to make them come to heel for the good of the whole country.
LastTimeLord
Sri
regarding your numbers please refer to attached link for some more accurate numbers.
www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm
Sri
Just a clarification regarding the figures from the daily telegraph.the numbers were regarding the number of boat people came to Australia .i guess there are two types of refuges.one with a legitimate threat to themselves and the others who comes just for the free housing and the doll.humanitarion programmes are good . It helps a lot of people.but how many are really the refugees.
Sri
It's great that the labour gave us free $1000 bucks.how much of it went to the deserving population? I think it would have been even better if that money went to important things like Medicare . How many people suffer with dental health problems?
According to the figures from daily telegraph roughly less than 100 refuges came to Australia in 2006(liberal) . The figure in 2011 is some where around 6400.
Can we afford so many refugees?
Sri
Peter,I believe , any body with the family tax benefits a or b regardless of the income got the bonus.but the people who moved away from here to other countries also received the bonus.didnt understand how that stimulated our economy .
peter
Sri , the money was meant to encourage spending ( stimulus ) with in the economy to stifle recession.
Only people under a certain income received the money Sri, a mate and his wife missed out as they where over the limit.
margrockygirl
You are absolutely right about the dental care, cost son $300.00 for one extraction which he needed desperately, needs more but will have to wait. On a basic wage just cannot put this before bills etc. and no we cannot afford so many refugees .
Sri
Well,liberals did not give the free laptops for the school kids and did not start the nbn (national broad band network),refused to implement the carbon tax.but honestly , do we need all these.how many of us want the nbn?for me my adsl is just as good (I have masters in information & tech).
Just a thought about the carbon tax!!
Atmosphere is shared by all the countries and Is not fenced to each countries.if we reduce the carbon emissions by 5% with $5bn ,what I the neighbouring countries increase the emissions by 10%?its gonna compensate the atmosphere right?
CAT17
Hi Crazy! why aren't smart people like us in Politics, even gorvernment we would have a wonderfil country!
CAT17
Thanks Sri, you said it all for me - I agree with yiu 100%. Anyone with half a brain can see we are in deep trouble and Lord knows where it will all end.
Crazy_Horse666
I totally agree with you Sri on the carbon emissions issue. We reduce our carbon emissions by 5% and China's carbon emissions goes up by a huge margin because all the companies that were operating in Australia have moved their entire operations to China and other countries overseas. So not only do we have to pay a "carbon tax" but we also lose our jobs. The carbon emissions issue needs to be dealt with on a global scale and not in the manner it is being implemented at the moment.
paradox
Sri, re free laptops in school. Here in Queensland parents pay for being on this Laptop program . My daughter is paying $250 per annum on top of the normal school fees. Further, despite all of the curriculum's books being on the laptop she still has to pay for all the hard copy books. . She cannot afford to have her second son on the program so she has to choose and how hard is that. Lies, lies and more lies from peoples party. It is disgusting how the people of Australia are being duped and misled.
margrockygirl
Hi Sri, hands up all the kids who have not received a free laptop. we live in a city and our internet access is pretty ordinary, all the usual problems.. Really not to sure about the carbon tax, get baffled by too much information
LastTimeLord
Did you miss the GFC or perhaps are ignoring the events in Greece recently (without reference to the problems in Ireland, Portugal, Italy, and Spain)? We will shortly be back in surplus and have emerged from the GFC largely unscathed. Lucky or good management?
littletoot
Good point, wow people I have been reading the post and a few of you are behaving no better than the pollies in the latest debarcle. It is possible to have a discussion with opposing views without being catty or making personal insults! Lets have the standard of the discussions on Cafe Chat to be at least a little bit more adult than the pollies have demonstrated. 6yo school kids have more repectful discussions than I have just read. Focus on the FACTs not the difference!
LastTimeLord
Hi CAT17, no I don't believe everything this mob or any other group of politicians tells me. Julia's about turn on the carbon tax and the John Howard 'non-core' promise are fine examples of breach of trust with the voting public. However, we do need to recognize that our deficit is under control and will be wiped in the near future. If you are referring to the handouts given to combat the GFC, the money was not given to appease the populace but to stimulate demand and was, regardless of the hysteria generated by Abbott and Hockey, successful.
CAT17
I must be living in a different Australia to you - do you seriously believe in everything this mob (so called government) tell you? Be prepared DalekLord things are going to get worse and there is no money (handouts) to apease us this time around!
margrockygirl
Dalek Lord, hope you are right mate, according to the so called experts we have been speaking to it is not going to happen, so I guess we can all agree to disagree, only time will tell.
peter
The liberals did have a a surplus as pointed out , however to get that surplus they spent nothing on roads, schools, education, hospitals, did nothing to correct the lack of doctors and nurses degraded medicare. The regular armed forces where reduced to the point where legislation had to been changed to allow the reservists to serve overseas because the regs couldn't meet the commitments overseas Howard was calling for.
But Costello did give a $5.00 tax cut to the average worker in his last budget.
peter
The liberals did have a a surplus as pointed out , however to get that surplus they spent nothing on roads, schools, education, hospitals, did nothing to correct the lack of doctors and nurses degraded medicare. The regular armed forces where reduced to the point where legislation had to been changed to allow the reservists to serve overseas because the regs couldn't meet the commitments overseas Howard was calling for.
But Costello did give a $5.00 tax cut to the average worker in his last budget.
CAT17
WWow you just can't let this go I have nothing more to sat to you
littletoot
Unfortunately it isnt the polies you have a go at !. I suggest you re read nyour comments to Peter and others in this discussion. Try reading them again from the other persons point of view. I don't need to "chill out" I'm just looking for a bit of respect between members!
CAT17
Hey littletoot, you must chill out everyone enjoys having a go at the pollies! I am never personal in my comments, they are after all just comments.
littletoot
HiCat 17. yes the point of the exercise is to engage in discussions, but it is important that discussions be respectful of the fact that others have a point of view and that everyone see3s things in their own was. It is not necessary to undermine someone or make degrading personal comments to get your point of view accross. When I read such comments I think twice about saying anything in case I am treated in the same way. It is certainly not inviting to me.
CAT17
Hey littletoot, you commented twice on my comments, nice that you are interested enough in my opinion to reply. I admit I do have an opinion and a view point - but isn't that the whole point of being part of this forum.
littletoot
No need to be catty CAT17. Stick with the facts and less of the personal denigration. How about starting your statements with "in my opinion" rather than going for the jugular. After all, it is only your opinion.
In my opinion Peter has made an interesting point. What facts do you know that reflects a different view point.
CAT17
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margrockygirl
I love my country, but no way could we call it the lucky country any more. We are in a hole so deep it could take years to get out, and guess who put us there.
The libs left us in a great position and like other labour parties before them this mob have dropped us in it. While labour is in there is no way out. HELP
sydneynick
Labor is doing an A1 job - Abbott is a complete fool
Anonymous
australias a great country yes ,they sucked you in , there laws desroy buisness , electricity keeps goin up rates rego and everything else far above the inflation rate, just talk to jerry harvey,,harvey norman. even he said none of them know ho to run a buisness . the only way to stimulate the economy is to support small and big buisness. because they employ people ,then they get tax from them and tax from the goods they sell. but there laws destroy buisness . just look at all the buisnesses that go broke all the time , because they dont support and help them. but that does not matter they get massive handouts and pension for the rest of there lives . yes australia is a great country for them only. while you live on your 260 a week . good luck
Anonymous
government handouts, heh look how good we are.
suck you in , attack you in lots of other ways.
Anonymous
first . julia is not the prime minister . no one has voted for her only her own party put her in talk about a coup. and look how she wants to treat disabled people , leave them alone, they should all be very well looked after and only work if they want to. most people dont know how they feel .she should strap herself up in a wheelchair for the rest of her life .and force her to work or no food. sounds familar.. nazi germany. they all need toilet roll holders under there mouth for all the crap they speak.
CAT17
Oh Mp you got it in one! Juliia is a dud as PM and is definitely the worst we have ever had. She was so unbelievably nasty in her comments in Parliment today that I felt ashamed that she with such a nasty mouth is the PM of this wonderful country. Seems to me that the only 2 things she is good at is wasting money and attacking the opposiition with such vennom. What happened to having dignity and decorum from the person who has the highest position in the country. She has shown just how nasty she can get with the Rudd situation. I hope that somehow by someone this government will implode. The only ones who vote for her are the union members and silly people who really don't understand that good government is not about getting handouts from them. By the way it is taxpayers who pay for the handouts, and the money sure could be put to better use.
paradox
Sorry to butt in, what hand out's are you going on about?
peter
Yes MP , I am. Australia looks after their invalid soldiers, where many other counties don't.
I have also stated that a mate and his wife did not receive anything as they where over the income level requirement.
As for the PM , well, I have never liked the way she ascended to power and it will depend on who is running in my electorate as for Tony Abbott, I have no time for self-confessed lairs " http://www.news.com.au/national/dont-believe-everything-i-say-tony-abbott/story-e6frfkvr-1225867979082 "
Mp
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Mp
Smart comment Peter, Did you recceive a handout NOT EVERYONE did!
Trushka
I also live on the aged pension, but I received the $1500, which I promptly spent on: two paintings by local Australian artists [helped framers; art shops their local shops] and new curtains from our locally owned shop [employees, sewers etc.] It was intended to stimulate the Australian economy which is the envy of many other countries
peter
margrockygirl, all australians under a certain income received money from the stimulus package, depending on circumstances some received two amounts.
As an invalid pensioner I received two amounts.
margrockygirl
Peter we did not receive any of the stimulus package just live off the pension
peter
did you return the Money hand outs the gov gave out in the stimulus package.