ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - WHATS YOUR VIE
Posted by: peppi6
26th Oct 2010 01:12am
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DanishTina
I agree with supporting refugees and accepting immigrants but not at the expense of scarce public housing (sorely needed by poor and homeless Australians who may have been on the waiting lists for years) being prioritised for new comers ahead of in-need Australian Citizens who have been paying their taxes for many years.
bj
Being an Aussie means being true to the rules, accepting things as they are. Some of the immigrants get here, demand things, try [and have done so] to change our basic Christian way of life. I love different cultures, but if the new comers left their country and chose Aus they should try fit in, not demand we make changes for them. For over 200 years Aus was a christian country, we are now not. If I was to try to settle in a non christian country and make waves I wouldnt live long, thats the way of it..
Sil sil
I agree, i am not a fan of illegal immigrants. I think any politician who opens the doors to flood our nation or take the boats away which protect us, should house some of these immigrants in their own home & pay out of their wages directly to support them. I'm sick & tired of hearing that our pensioners who have contributed to this country get a lot less money that these people who havent paid a cent in tax & dont intend on working or even learning english, just getting free money & procreating. Not good, there are some ppl who really need help & then there are some that are just going to destroy this country & turn it into the country they are escaping from & then where do we go? I couldnt think of many countries i would like to live in. We should protect what we have & be proud to have standards & a strict criteria of people who want to come here, i think Sweden do it...
misstarnia
Lets not forget, everybody that is non-aboriginal, are guests at this great Hotel. With the exception of the very first boat people (the Red Coats) everyone else chose to make Australia their home, chose a new life and chose this democracy. New Guests must be reminded that Hotel Australia is offering a new start and the conflict you left behind should be left where it belongs. Don't bring it here!
Anonymous
The title of this post is a misnomer. Asylum seekers are not 'illegals'. Seeking asylum is actually a human right. This right was established after the horrors of Nazi Germany when many Jewish people sought asylum and were instead sent back to their deaths. When people flee violence and persecution, there is no 'queue'. Where does one expect people to nicely queue when you are running for your life?
Contrary to popular belief, Australia won't be flooded with asylum seekers. This is simply hateful and racist rhetoric spun by the Murdoch owned media to create a culture of fear around this issue. There are things called quotas. One does not have to treat fellow HUMAN BEINGS worse than animals and lock them in appalling conditions without actually assessing their claims to keep the country 'safe.' Does anyone on here know that when Vietnamese asylum seekers came to Australia by boat in the 1970's, they were applauded as 'brave', 'heroic' and welcomed by the Australian public. Oh how 30 odd years old treating people as a political football can change the conversation...
Parsimony
"Marysia says - Anyone who comes to Australia uninvited and without a valid visa is illegal."
It is quite OK and legal to come to Australia without a visa and claim refugee status! These individuals are not illegal.
"I'm so proud and relieved to finally have a PM and government who takes our border security issue seriously and know how to protect our country against illegal human trafficking for illegal country shoppers."
Interesting comment as it seems that the Australian Navy when recently putting people attempting to enter Australia onto lifeboats and sending them to Indonesia, added 3 extra people to those that were on the boat they intercepted. This is illegal and amounts to people trafficking by our government.
We might be large in land size but our infrastructure and resources are limited. Welfare for our own people, those who worked for and contributed to this country. Enough is enough, Australia for Australians first !
Australia has a long history of immigration apart from our indigenous people we all have a immigration story in our family history - not all legal stories either!
Marysia
Anyone who comes to Australia uninvited and without a valid visa is illegal.
You don't have to like it but it's a fact. In respect of human rights to seek asylum status in another country it is correct, The first neighbouring country that is not at war should be the country where refuge should be sought, not thousands of kilometres away on an island.
Australia takes enough refugees through normal channels.
I'm so proud and relieved to finally have a PM and government who takes our border security issue seriously and know how to protect our country against illegal human trafficking for illegal country shoppers.
We might be large in land size but our infrastructure and resources are limited. Welfare for our own people, those who worked for and contributed to this country. Enough is enough, Australia for Australians first !
Kessa1959
I totally agree. Come through the correct channels or not at all. If they arrive illegally by whatever means put them on the next flight back to where they came from.
It's ridiculous that they get more benefits than our pensioners.
I also believe that if they don't want to fit in with our way of life and rules then they can go back to where they are from too.
squeekums
They are not illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers or refugees and it is perfectly legal to seek asylum in this country. We are signed up to the UN treaty to say we accept them, save that Illegal tag name for the british, american and european who fly here and never leave once their visa expires
Damn the sheeple press has a lot to answer for. Find your news on places other than 7, 9 or 10 and people may learn a thing or 2
blondie72
Hmmm - I agree and just today they announced $20, 000 per refugee to get them settled and for medical screening. Well I'm poor and can't afford medical screening - what about me?
david
about time they changed hotel, hotel australasia is overflowing.i hear the new hotel nauru has a few vacanies cheap too.in fact they pay you to accomodation.ALL WELCOME
tongboy
Illegal immigrants are a drain on any country and should be found and deported. I would like to point out, however, that seeking asylum is NOT illegal in this country, and noone seeking asylum is an illegal immigrant until their claim for asylum has been invalidated. If you want hard information (and I suspect none of you really do) try:
http://www.mrt-rrt.gov.au/Conduct-of-reviews/Guide-to-Refugee-Law/Guide-to-Refugee-Law-in-Australia/default.aspx
If you just want to be angry about stuff then firstly: please sort out your terminology, to ensure that you're being angry about the right stuff. Illegal immigrant, asylum seeker and refugee all mean very different things.
Secondly: Spending in asylum seekers and illegal immigrants is nowhere near as large as spending in other areas.
http://www.budget.gov.au/2010-11
annie
It is so frustrating every day hearing that another boat or two of illegal immigrants has arrived on our shores.We should not be letting them come to Australia.
dingodan
Wil the do gooders please cut out the Bulldust ! As a late 40s Migrant I came here and helped build this Country . What we object to is the excessive wast of OUR money by this uncaring government . They mean well , a dreadful phrasebut so thrue of every thing they touch . ie The Insulation Scandal , the B E R , the Set Top Boxes , the list is endless ! . Have you noticed everything gets rushed in for the Shonky People to make a profit ! . Shonky advisors too , I men fyying the relatives of the Christmas Island Drowning and the bodies to Sydney fo burial. Nuff said
JCER
Laws are to be obeyed, no matter who you are, where you come from, how much you earn or what you look like. It is discriminatory to allow anyone to break the law and then reward them for doing so. I appreciate some people may have a legitimate reason due to religious or ethnic persecution to seek asylum HOWEVER, it is not appropriate to circumvent the LAW to achieve what amounts for many as a simple immigration. Queue up and apply (as my parents did) and wait your turn. Deliberate falsification or destruction of identity documents is criminal and should be treated as such. Turn them away, by boat, by aeroplane however they arrive.
redrobin
The only way to stop this is to remove the Labor government from office. As long as they are there- and particularly Juliar Gillard- the situation will go from bad to worse. Can someone explain to me how sending one person to Malaysia and getting four back is solving the problem? (AND we not only have to look after the four new ones, but send finances to keep the one that we send away). So what can we DO about this. Time for some action.
Opa
Anyone who has watched the recent series 'Go back to where you came from' on SBS TV & has not learnt anything from that excellent program is a lost cause. Australia is a part of this globe,open your hearts & minds & see the refugee issue for what it is - a worldwide problem where we in Australia have to play our part. Even our poorest citizens have more than these tragic people who have to leave their homelands to escape persecution. Let's share our wealth with those in need.
Opa
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anna
ozziedigger
Yes ,bring your leprosy, tuberculosis,to the wonderful world of Oz.Bring Aus down to your level and we will have jihad on the local Christians and non believers.
That`ll stuff us!
Opa
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wattle
Sorry we give them food ,medical,a roof over there heads and they burn our camps up they have paid to come here in boats so they must have something to be able to pay personal I don't want them here they take the job from our young ones I would like to see white Australian only in a few years you will not see an Australian
The Indians and the muslins are taking us over I am glad that I am on my way out
I have lived the best years I had to move homes because the Indianans took over my suburb at the moment there are not to many here
wombi
My husband is american and for him to be able to first come to australia it cost us and airfare of around $1500, we then went through the proper immigration procedures for him to be able to become a resident of this beautiful country. Cost of this application was $2500. I am not made of money and I do understand that these desperate boat people are trying to make a new life for them and their families, but where is the fairness in all of this? If my husband had come over on a boat he would be living here paid for by our government, but because we did everything legally, it has cost us a fortune.
CAT17
There are many places here that are cold in winter - even snows in some of them! Of course if you are living in Queensland or WA not so cold?? After 5 years he is definitely considered an Ozie!
wombi
Thanks Cat, he loves it here, although he does find it a little warm sometimes, even in winter!!!!! he is used to the American snow!!!! He has been here for just over 5 years now and has been employed for about 4 years so has settled in well. It's been a fun 5 years together and I look forward to many many more.
CAT17
I read your comment and frankly I'm glad you spent money to come here - you are the kind of people this country needs. You aren't a burden on the tax payers of this country. Welcome to Australia and may you have a wonderful life.
wattle
Sorry but I think we have too many emergent our own young people can't find jobs this land of ours is not our any more Turn around while still in the sea.What the idea of the thing they are doing black birds can't see there face ,no Christmas I am glad I don't have much more time to see what really going to happen muslins will run the world we can only have one or two children how many do they have and the silly Australia keeps them the white Australia was good for us now we have all the rubbish only a very few are worth having send them back plus if they can pay the boat people they must have MONEY get out of our land
Opa
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Opa
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Opa
Soprry,I forgot to mention: My name is Jack Frost & I come from another planet as you.
Opa
Sorry,I didn't mean to insult you,I thought bigot & xenophobe were badges of honour for closed minded people like you.Is this the official site for Pauline Hasonites?
errolsyd
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possum
We have laws in place to protect all Aussies. I have sympathy for people who feel they must flee their homeland for whatever reason, however I do believe they MUST go through the proper process.
Our Gov needs to process people who have spent considerable time in refugee camps, these are the people who need urgent assistance. Clear the backlog make room for others to seek legitimate claim to residency.
Arriving on a boat is dangerous I understand desperate people do desperate things, however, Australia cannot allow this practice to continue it is not in the country's best interest.
A policy must be determined by the Gov guidelines must be set & adhere to. If refugees seeking asylum are true refugees then they have nothing to fear.As a country we must show compassion & understanding but at WHAT COST to our people & the nation.
peppi6
Thank you. That is what Australia should be about. There is no discrimination but acceptance of what we Australians are all about as what is expected in any other country should we wish to migrate there and become a resident.
errolsyd
I agree with the majority of posts here.
What has gone wrong with this country in the 60-70s I lived in Pennant Hills,the next suburb was Thornleigh known as little Lebanon,Leichhardt was little Italy.I had good mates that were Lebanese,my sister had girl friends that were from Lenanon,one of my first girl friends was Italian,I am 3rd gen Aussie,GGfather imigrated from Sweden 1873.In our mob we had Poms,Scots, Welshman,even a West Indian,we all drank out of the some long neck.So what has changed? Radical muslim ideas,weak kneed pollies,and the most dangerous,pc correct so called Aussies!When will our pollies and the pc correct idiots wake up,we are allowing the miniority to rule us,sometime in the near future all this pc bull will blow up and some of our more radical youth will take it into their own hands!Lets stop it now!Seperate toilets for muslims,curtains at swimming pools for muslim women,allowing all these illegal immigrants into our country,mostly young muslim men,mosques in places they are not wanted.STOP IT NOW before it is too late.The radical muslims an pc correct idiots are ruining it for the moderate moslems. Yes I am branded a racist because I fear for the future of OUR Country AUSTRALIA. Tough
Sir Edmund Barton's ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907.
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'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'
Edmund Barton - 1907
dima
Australian Govertment should reintroduce Jonh Howard's "Pacific Sulution",which will redice number of illigal immmigrant coming to tthe Lucky country,ahead of people that want to come legally & are on waiting lists.This way we get migrants that are screened & suitable for Aussie way of life,useful & will contribute to to our well being.
Cheers
Dima
reet57
If these people are refugees as they claim, the object should be to leave their own country and take refuge in the nearest country that will accept them. Why does it entail travelling half way around the world via Indonesia? Why isn't Indonesia accepting these people?
My parents came out in 1950 and everyone seemed to get along. Why have the troubles only started in the last 30 years or so?
peppi6
Hi, thanks for your comments and opinions. WOW the latest news is devastating. My ? could this disaster have been avoided? By the way i am not racist, i welcome anyone from anywhere and everywher, but don't you think it should be thru the right channels? or do you think some should get a preference above someone else????
Merry Xmas to you all and have a Happy and Prosperous 2011
david
i am not racist either,come to australia through the correct channel and i will welcome you.come as an illegal and i will and pass government standards and i will welcome you.come as an illegal through the back door and i will ignore you.i am very saddened by the deaths of the illegals at ashmore reef,especially for the young who had no choice in coming.i believe the indonesians should be charged with murder.and be sentenced for that crime.i would think this would slow the incoming illegals down,but it seems not.these people are playing a death defying game.the government is as guilty as the indonesians
david
minnie,we have some great comedic statement here.of course we should let all these people in.our money to support them does grow on tree's.come ye all pick a tree and go for it.why come to australia anyway.their are lots of places to stop on the way.singapore and malaysia are wonderful plases to live.
peppi6
i think we may be on the same page here. a lot have lost the plot. lol.
paraclete
I think Australia needs to be selective about who it accepts. we have a very limited number of places for people without skills and we don't want to create an under class by accepting people who become a burden on society. just because someone thinks it is a good idea to come here doesn't mean it is a good idea. We should require basic language skills, basic education and some career oriented training. Refugees have special needs and they should be properly vetted to ensure they are not criminals and that their claims are correct
Opa
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bj
They have a right to emigrate, first settlers did this. What is really wrong is the demands they make when they arrive. I wont live there, I want better food, I want better everything. They recieve more than our dole people who live here and try to get jobs. A lot come here and want to change our ways.
I thik they should arrive and be bloody gratefull, not strike, not cause trouble, just wait and see what happens. Surely just being here is better than what they left. Unless they have a hidden adjenda
Anonymous
I don't believe there should be an relaxing of rules for anybody who has come to Australia illegaly. They should go through the same process as anybody who has applied to come here under the rules we have in place at the moment
Nancyfromaus
wazza
well if I had my way they would be sent back or start swimming as a submerine would sink there boats that would send a big meassage back to thoes people tryiong to do it ileagalyif they want to come here why dont they do it the propper way. wazza.
wazza
line thoes turkeys up and shoot them then they might get the message not to come here, well if I was running the contury there would be no boats comming here in the first place as there would be told to try comming through the propper channels as there would be a couple of submerenes up ther portolling up there the sharkes would be feed up propperly, and I am a western australian born and breed plus I dont want them here anyway as the farmers come first in everything other wise I dont want to starve from not getting any wheat for makeing bread, or grocerys.
wazza
why carnt they come by normal way instead of trying to come in by boat people, this is my opion only we should put a sumberene up there and sink there boats that would send one big message to thoes trying to get in by ileagal means, me I am a western australian born and breed, should send them over to canbera just to give the polatitions a look at what they are trying to upset western australians bloody detension centers. regards wazza.
19chris51
here here,
19chris51
FULL,FULL,FULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and overflowing
19chris51
good on you star straight to the point, did anyone watch the 7pm report last night, no, or little housing affordable for our own people, they are living in cars and inadquate housing, for gods sake wake up AUSTRALIA, or we will be a third world country, No motels for our own people, neverlone 4 star, just refugee`s WAKE UP all you so gooders
Starr
SEND THEM ALL HOME WE ARE FULL, NO MORE ROOM
Opa
I think the only full thing may have been yourself when you posted this 'intelligent' comment
Starr
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME--------SEND THEM BACK HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AUSTRALIA IS FULL YOU KNOW WHAT FULL MEANS-------------NO MORE ROOM.
Starr
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME--------SEND THEM BACK HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AUSTRALIA IS FULL YOU KNOW WHAT FULL MEANS-------------NO MORE ROOM.
Nefertari
I totally agree with the majority of the comments on here......Australia just cannot afford to accept more refugees! The government should listen to the wishes of the majority and cease the never-ending influx of immigrants. What was once the 'lucky country' that had so much of everything and little strife is rapidly becoming a country whose natural resources are being used up far too quickly in order to cater for these immigrants. As for rascist.?..well talk about 'biting the hand that feeds you'!!!
possum
Genuine refugees housed in camps must be processed more quickly.They spend years waiting to be processed so they can be settled in a new country & begin a new life free from persecution.
Assylum seekers illegal refugees whatever have the finances to pay for passage on a boat to come to OUR country. They arrive & expect to be treated as special guests.Making demands attracting media attention hoping to attract support for their cause.These people are que jumpers & clearly taking the place of genuine refugees.
Genuine refugees have no problems they deserve a place in our society. I feel compassion for genuine refugees & pray they are given the chance they so rightly deserve.
possum
Genuine refugees housed in camps must be processed more quickly.They spend years waiting to be processed so they can be settled in a new country & begin a new life free from persecution.
Assylum seekers illegal refugees how ever you refer to them, have the finances to pay for passage on a boat to come to OUR country. They arrive & expect to be treated as special guests.Making demands attracting media attention hoping to attract support for their cause.These people are que jumpers & clearly taking the place of genuine refugees.
Genuine refugees have no problems they deserve a place in our society. I feel compassion for genuine refugees & pray they are given the chance they so rightly deserve.
Mel
Our 'Australian' culture is changing ... and not for the better! More violence, more Australian homelessness. We need to house our own, before handing things on a silver platter to these illegal immigrants, who often rort the system and aren't here for the right reasons. Harsh - maybe, true - yes!
KennethS
The majority of the so called asylum seakers, should be correctly categorised as illegal immigrants, and they are taking advantage of Australia's lax border security and soft laws, and generous welfare provisions.
In the many of the cases they have indeed originated from countries that have or are experiencing civil strife, but in none of thousands of cases havs their sea journey commenced from their country of residence. In many instances these people have transitted several other countries, were they have NOT been at risk, and in many instances have remained for protracted periods in these countries ( without persecution) while waiting to commence a voyage to Australia.
Now why would a Muslim transit several Muslim countries, to seek a life in Australia, when in all too many instances they dispise the Judaeo Christian based secular society of Australia,and have no interest in integrating into Australian society?
The answer is quite obvious, the overwhelming generosity of the Australian Welfare system and our compliant soft legal system that allows them to abuse our country's hospitality.
The simple facts of the matter are that if this flow of illegal immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants, continues unabated, then the consequence in time is that the great free open society that we enjoy in Australia, will be irreversably changed for the worse. We are in the same position as Britain and Europe were in the 1970s, do we blindly wish to follow their examples and effectively undermine our society as they have done, with all the tragic long term consequences to our social structure and economy
Australia is supposedly a democracy, as is Britain, so why should a government allow such drastic social and economic change to be inflicted on their people against the majority wish?
The current overly liberal immigration policy to does not concur with the wishes of the majority, the last election campaign highlighted that.
If the majority of Australians wish their society to change into a multi-cultural hotchpotch, where Australain values are placed subordinate to the wishes of a minorities whose social structures and values are medieval, and also to accept the growing welfare burden associated with this, then so be it: However, the indication is that the majority of Australians do not want this to happen nor do they wish to shoulder the associated financial burden.
In a democracy why can the Government not accept and follow the wishes of the majority. I fear for the future for my grandchildren, who will be the white Australians who will have to suffer the long term consequences of this misguided liberal immigration policy.
19chris51
I agree with everything that you have said kennethS,I think there are a lot of do gooders, trouble is they are not doing good for the general Australian population, yes, these people have suffered in their own country, but they bring all of that here, why?????? surely they need to get away from it!!!!! and if they are refugee`s , how do they afford to come anyway,??? I`m sorry, but my grandchildren need to grow up without these sort of things,I am mainly sorry for the children, but not to the extent of ruining my grandchildren`s future.
Why don`t we think of all the medical research that can happen for the good of all humanity with the money we are using for these refugee`s, my son needs medical help and his condition needs research, which we do not do in Australia,(because of lack of money) come on Australians stand firm............
bunrattylimerick
I agree whole heartedly with Minnie. When I travelled overseas in the 70's the rquirement for all countries was a visa or a work permit and to pay taxes if you did work.These freeloaders are rorting the system and our government elected by us are giving in to them.Do what the Greeks do to the illegal Turkish immigrants and shoot their boats out of the water.Sounds harsh but we have our own problems!
Banger
Proteus
Hmm, it seems now that illegal immigrants have the same rights as all Australians? The High Court has upheld some law or something passed by the Howard Govt that entitles all illegal immigrants right to legal representation, and much more - all all in support of some World Authority?? I'm of the understanding that this too is at the taxpayers expense. Way to go dogooders!! Here in West Aust, we have had one local shire cojolled into having a camp for them, all expenses at the taxpayer, and more recently another camp to be constructed for 1400 or so illegal immigrant men in Northam, again at a huge cost to the taxpayers. The local shires have been promised that it will benefit the local economy, but to date, well according to one member of a shire, it is costing them lot's of money, and all the needs of the camp are bought in from other area's.
Why should our state and federal governments have to pay for the housing, feeding caring etc., of illegals. If they want to leave their troubled home lands, all fine and dandy, but please do it the right way, and don't jump the line...they might be better accepted if the come here the right way.. One possible solution to the illegal boat problems - just hire a charter jet, put them on it send them back to the port of origin, along with a bill to the country government from which they came!! One final thing, multiculturism doesn't seem to be working too well in Australia, some small groups mix, but they majority, well nope, they tend to stay with their own and set up their own laws etc., and suburbs too....isn't that going back to segregation or are some races just not accepting of our way of life??
Pops
Well said Proteus. If I had a Boat I would be up there and turn them back myself
emmy19
Yes Proteus, I agree with you.
It worked resonably well after the war, most of the refugees accepted Australia and our ways, most became naturalised and were accepted into the community, attended our schools, learned our language and our style of life, they are now as Australian as we are.
I consider that if within a period of time they fail to addapt to our flag and laws their permit to remain here should be revoked and then they are deported back to where ever they claim they have come from.
Piotrek
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888shelley
Further to that Rod I had a great idea
Let them all in after processing/checking , create a massive project( like Snowy Mountain scheme in the 50's) perhaps creating a river from Gt Aus Bight to Lake Ayre. This could lead to a Port being created in the centre of Australia, mining and agriculture would benefit, new towns would be established etc. The new migrants would be required to spend a minimum of 5-10 years on the project to earn citizenship, and be able to attend language classes, learn about our country and so much more. This would also create work for Aussies with degrees in engineering, design, builders and so on.
The Snowy Mountain Scheme proved that migrants are more than willing to do an honest days work. Please don't forward this idea to the Liberal Party as they would not know where to start!!
This is a far better idea than locking them up in a miserable situation to rot.
errolsyd
Piotrek, you do your parents and others a disservice by calling them boat people, we invited them here and unlike the current crop of ILLEGALS they got nothing, worked hard and assimilated into this country they built the Snowy Mountain Hydro Scheme among others projects. I do not know why you still live in Australia seeing we are, heartless, have no compassion, racist and bigotted , mate if we are so bad you know where the exit is!! The Poles, Greeks, Italians,Germans, Poms, Irish, Scots etc DID NOT try to change our way of life but kept their culture and got on with life in Australia some became more Australian than home grown Aussies. You think I am an intolerant bastard, well mate you and your like can go and get well and truly knotted!!!!! I fly two Aussie flags on my car one on my golf cart and one on my balcony. I am 3 rd generation Aussie via Sweden, Scotland and Ireland.
tongboy
David - that simply isn't true. An illegal immigrant is a very specific legal thing, as is an asylum seeker and a refugee. All people who come here (or anywhere that is signatory to UNHCR) and say: 'I am seeking asylum' are asylum seekers. We then attempt to establish their bona fides and we discover whether they are either refugees or illegal immigrants. You may think this system is ridiculous, but it's probably important to understand that system before making a judgement. Here is some information which noone ever bothers to read because they are too busy being outraged about stuff.
http://www.mrt-rrt.gov.au/Conduct-of-reviews/Guide-to-Refugee-Law/Guide-to-Refugee-Law-in-Australia/default.aspx
Opa
what an intelligent comment....NOT
Opa
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Opa
A voice of sanity in a sea of insular bigots & narrowminded cretins.Unfortunately,the vast majority of Australians who do not share the xenophobic views of contributors to this discussion remain silent.Speak up,we are better than that!
codge
yet you're still here. Every migrant hates us but is still here. The so called boat people pay lots of money to get on those boats. They are not refugees,they just want to suck on our teat. The difference between today and then Piotrek is that your parents were invited to come because they had skills we needed. Why? Because we sent our best to die in 2 world wars in Europe. If the Feral Gumbyment had given my wife and I 10 grand a child instead of wasting it on migrants, we would have had 10 of them and Australia would not need immigrants. Simple as that.
david
as to australians pretending to be new zealanders,i guess we can't(some of us )handle the heat.in 2000 we were on holidays in malaysia.met some americans and canadians who were doing exactly this when the us was fighting suddam hussein.i was askedin a restuarant did i really want to own the world.they thought i was american.my views on refugee's remains the same.
Kiwi chick
Yes I am living in NZ again but will be in and out until we retire as my husband works for an International hotel brand. Something you might find interesting is that many Australians pretended to be Kiwis in Indonesia as the Australian Foreign Policy was not liked. The tiny minority of radicals dislike all foreign nationals but particularly Americans followed closely by Australians and Dutch. This is why their bombings targeted these groups. Several people we knew were killed and a couple of my good friends husbands were supposed to be at the meeting where the last bombing was. Thank goodness they weren't.
david
kiwi chick,australian is a small nation such is new zealand,perhaps that is why we have so many of you here,i am not trying to be racist,i have some great new zealand friend characters in fact.some of them did the haka at my daughters wedding..australian or new zealand we all stand out when in overseas countries.there are 100's of ethnic groups in melbourne.they have probably hated each other before they left there own country.look at argon st.their must be a different nationality restuarant next door to each other.this kind of racism is bad.i do not think we have many australians who are racial.no doubt perhaps 33%.hinking about that it is bad for our small population.will leave it there before i become a real rambler.are you living in nz again
david
thanks lise,looks like i could use some help.ta
Kiwi chick
No David there are racists and xenophobes everywhere in the world. I am talking from my own personal experience. I have lived in 4 different parts of NZ and in Melbourne, Brisbane, Indonesia and the Seychelles and have travelled through the Pacific Islands. The place I came across with the most racism was Melbourne. It wasn't always directed at myself but I observed it on an almost daily basis. The dilemma I have with immigration is when people don't integrate. My son was going out with a South Korean girl and they were against him because he was white. Nearly all the kiwis I know have a mixture of cultures either through their ancestry or their children's partners etc. In my own family we have Pakeha, English, Scottish, Cornish, German and Maori. And I have friends from all over the globe.
david
what the hell has suicide got to do with iit.if your saying assylum seekers are prone to more suicidal acts,crap.many born and bred australians commit suicide on a daily basis.young australian who have been fighting wars in some of the countries of illegals come from.yes i have has a few mates commit suicide,all served in vietnam,the same as i did.get a life.and you to do not bother me with petty bullshit.
david
we are a small country,when you say we take a small amount of immigrants,thats great by me.it is the illegals who are breaking our backs,are you saying there are no racist in new zealans,talk to a couple of real kiwi's
joany
What you consider legal or illegal is not the point. International law says that anyone is allowed to seek asylum. They are only illegal immigrants after the proper processes have been followed and their claims dismissed.
What you consider lawful is irrelevant/ignorant.
Do you know anything about mental illness? Have you had a member of your family commit suicide?
david
joany,i consider these people illegal as soon as they set foot on australian soil.if they are accepted after immigation is worked out that is fine by me.but do not put them in the front of the line let them wait there turn,unfortuneately for them the time is spent in a detention centre.even so they get whatever they need while detained.it is a good life for them.they stuff it up by rioting and demands that the government cannot meet.
david
piotrek.i would say you were an australian citizen with a big chip on your shoulder.being australian you could choose anywhere in the world to live so do me and australia a favour as PISS OFF.as for your parents they came to this country legally and i welcome them.i feel sure they have settled well by now and have a lot of australian friends.i feel sure their was a lot of predujuce in poland before your parents left.so how dare you say australia is a prejudice country.your a goose.bye don't annoy me again
Kiwi chick
Australia takes a very small percentage of refugees worldwide. Much less than many countries in the European Union.
I lived in Australia for 5 years and personally found where I lived a lot of racists. In fact I was shocked at first how little the different ethnic groups had integrated. I definitely felt some prejudice and I hate to think what it was like for other minorities whose culture is very different to Australias. I have also lived in Indonesia and the Seychelles and found much more acceptance and respect even though I stood out more.
didi
I object to you calling Australian "racist bigotted, and full of intolerant bastards" If you are so unhappy LEAVE.im sure you won't be missed. My daughter just came home from a muslim country,, she was told how to dress, what not to do as to offend anyone, being a guest in their country was happy to do it. She had to follow by their rule. as one should.
In australia, they will not abide by our way of life and want everything changed, they can do what they like in their own home, but if they what to live here abide by THE AUSTRALIAN WAY .and they would be very welcome
3lions
Well said David, some people just have no clue!
Shakes head.
3lions
I just replied basically with the exact same words!
3lions
I speak for myself and people I know, and all we want is for them to go about it the right way, like your parents did.
Just don't jump the queue!
david
piotrek.al they have to do is say NO.that easy
david
waddy you are correct these people are taking from poorer australians.seems funny even the illegals before these now own shops etc.yet they come over here in poverish.i think they have lied to our government and hidden lots of money or valuables,where the sun don't shine.
david
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david
what the hell has colonialism have to do with illegal immigration.we have minorities in every country in the world even where your ancestors come from,so do not particularly pick australia.tell me piotrek.what nation owned i believe poland before the poles invaded.an honest answer would be nice.and how many minority poles make a lot of noise.political riots etc.you are a goose
david
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david
spot on blondie72
david
rod,if they are true refugee's i have no objection,but we do have to draw the line somewhere.if they come with paperwork of their status and country of origin fine lets assess them.if they toss all paperwork overboard which has happened many times.put them in detention until things are sorted out.do you have any idea the millions of dollars spent on fefugee's.then think about our poor and homeless?
david
joany.i think you speak garbage.people who arrive on australian shores without passports or other documentation are illegals.why don't you hop on an aerolane and fly to the usa without documentation.you will be returned home on the next flight or be detained in an immigration centre.exactly what we are doing.christ has nothing to do with this.if you live in a country where christianity is not accepted.you shut your mouth.
david
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errolsyd
Piotrek if you see this country in such a bad light why are you still here? Go back to Poland. Your people were legal immigrants and accepted into our country and most of them assilimated into this country and our christian ways I have no problem with legal migrants that assilimate into our ways. Illegal boat people bypass quite a number of moslem countries on their way here why do they not stop there?? We are a soft touch!!! People smugglers should get 10 yrs mandatory jail then deported the rest just send back.
waddy
Alot of people are upset at this situation but calling them heartless is wrong. There are people here in Australia that have nothing; no house, food or education but the government does not help them. But these so called boat people come here and get money for food, smokes, roof over their heads, education for their children. The true boat people dont have a problem with it is the ones that pay lots of $ to get to Indonesia in the first place and then to the captains to bring them here. They are educated people with money in the bank. Indonesia is not an easy country to get into without a visa!! So somewhere there has to be a line drawn. Fix our people first then others we have to be able to say wait a minute let us help our own and then we can help NOT we will help other people and then MAYBE we will help our own.
Pops
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19chris51
blondie72, you are so right, if you are so unsatisfied Piotrek,well just leave our recist country!!!!!I`m sure your attitude at least won`t be missed, and guess what, it is RUDE to speak in another language infront of people.
You being Polish descent would look anglo (colouring), I sincerly hope the Ledanese don`t attack you or yours because you look white Australian, I wonder what you would think if that were the case, and at least the Polish people (the ones I know anyway) did not cause this kind of trouble
19chris51
piotrek, so if they are refugee`s how come they have that kind of money to spend on unscrupulous suppliers of boats????????I`m am NOT extreme right wing at all, and it is nice that your parents were able to come to this country as redugee`s, I bet they did`nt have that kind of money to spend on unscrupulous suppliers of boats, and I think (no I know) this is what people are refering to, atleast our boarders are not shut, not like some countries, if we are bigotted, I wonder why...... and you should not call people intolerant bastards, maybe we should shut our boarders,and send people back, that way, they might (the government) to able to try and fix all of the problems we have, say like HOSPITALS and HEALTH care for all the people we have here already, Big Noise, LOUDER,even processing off shore cost TAXpayers
das
You came here on a boat and knocked on the front door. We welcome all
who come in the front door. It is the refugees who fly to maylasia and other
countries pay a fee to come to australia illegally. They arrive without papers,
stating they have none. These same people need to hold a passport to
fly to indonesia or where ever. They discard these legal documents at sea.
What do they have to hide ?.
By the way, I am not a racist. I believe in fairness to all, just be honest and upfront, and you will be accepted with open arms.
blondie72
• Piotrek says - Yes, Blondie72, the Australian minority, which makes the loudest noise, are the racist and intolerant bigots. You have probably never seen the looksof disgust people give you when you speak to each other, in a language other than English.
The media highlight and sensationalise with their intolerant headlines headlines. e.g. "More boat people" etc.
Need I mention the Cronulla riots? Or were those people right to object to non-European AUSTRALIANS using their beach?
All non-indigenous Australians are illegal boat people, or descendants of them. Britain,illegally invaded and usurped an "unpopulated" land!!! Destroyed cultures of the hundreds of Aboriginal nations, Decimated their populations with introduced diseases and with violence. Still treat them with disdain and disgust, ignore their ancient laws.
Our Aboriginal and TorresStrait Islander people suffer hardship because of so-called "Western and sophisticated" luxuries like alcohol, illicit drugs and so on. Many have only been able to use their lands like their ancestors have since relatively recent times with the recognition of native title. They weren't even recognised as Australians until 1972! And still over 200 years since their land was invaded, are not acknowledged in our Constitution.
No, Blondie72 we are not racist!
•
Actually the looks are not looks of disgust, but looks of disbelief at the rudeness, but that's another story. The Cronulla riots were not because natural Australians did not want to share their beach – WHO is the one sensationalising NOW? Here is a TRUE account taken from: http://www.australian-news.com.au/Cronulla_riots.htm. Quote ”The anti-Australian, left-wing mainstream media are having a field day blackening Australia's reputation following the Cronulla riots.
Tension had been building for months as gangs of Lebanese swarmed on to Sydney's Cronulla beach, jostling elderly patrons, abusing Australian families and threatening to "rape Aussie sluts" for wearing bikinis. They did not come to enjoy the beach in the Australian tradition. They came to flout their disrespect for Australian culture and for Australian law and order.
Matters came to a head the previous weekend when two young Australian lifesavers were bashed by a Lebanese gang.
Following a series of text messages, 5,000 Australians turned up last Sunday at Cronulla determined to "reclaim the beach".
Unfortunately, the combination of alcohol, hot sun and a group of neo-nazi infiltrators turned the demonstration into a raging mob. There were disturbing scenes of mob violence and attacks on police and ambulance officers.
Meanwhile the Lebs were planning a speedy retaliation. After dark, more than 40 carloads of Lebanese thugs descended on nearby Maroubra and indulged in an orgy of smashing car windscreens, jumping on car roofs, smashing shop windows and beating up anyone of Anglo appearance.
How did the print media portray it? All the emphasis was on the "racist" attacks by Australians. Very little mention of the Lebanese thuggery.” Unquote.
As for the Australian Aboriginals – YES they were treated terribly by the Poms & the Irish settlers, but nothing you or I do can change that now, that is the past. Kevin Rudd on behalf of the Australian people apologised to the Aboriginal people and I was very thankful they got the apology that was so long overdue. However, that is an entirely different kettle of fish and you are grasping at straws, and calling Australians bigots and racists – exactly the type of ungrateful behaviour Australians abhor. Just like the Kosovos behaved!! Sounds to me my friend that it is you not I that is the racist one!!
Piotrek
Yes, Blondie72, the Australian minority, which makes the loudest noise, are the racist and intolerant bigots. You have probably never seen the looksof disgust people give you when you speak to each other, in a language other than English.
The media highlight and sensationalise with their intolerant headlines headlines. e.g. "More boat people" etc.
Need I mention the Cronulla riots? Or were those people right to object to non-European AUSTRALIANS using their beach?
All non-indigenous Australians are illegal boat people, or descendants of them. Britain,illegally invaded and usurped an "unpopulated" land!!! Destroyed cultures of the hundreds of Aboriginal nations, Decimated their populations with introduced diseases and with violence. Still treat them with disdain and disgust, ignore their ancient laws.
Our Aboriginal and TorresStrait Islander people suffer hardship because of so-called "Western and sophisticated" luxuries like alcohol, illicit drugs and so on. Many have only been able to use their lands like their ancestors have since relatively recent times with the recognition of native title. They weren't even recognised as Australians until 1972! And still over 200 years since their land was invaded, are not acknowledged in our Constitution.
No, Blondie72 we are not racist!
blondie72
If they do it the LEGAL way and do not jump queues!
blondie72
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Anonymous
It is a pretty sick situation - going to war on countries that are NOT attacking us and then not accepting the consequences - people wanting to get out of war zones! gee whiz, how dare they want to escape being shot, bombed etc!!! fancy not wanting to live/bring up your children in an area that foreign powers are squabbling over. How very, very strange.... Piotrek, just remember the average IQ of human beings is about 100...and then such stupidity of thought will hurt less.
rod
these people have a right to asked to stay in this lucky country, if they are true refuges , i say let than stay . on problems with this
joany
You are so right. People who come seeking refuge are not illegal until their claims are assessed and all avenues of appeal are exhausted. Those who are lucky enough to be able to obtain passports in their home of origin are not described in this way and yet many more come by air and disappear into the community. Not that I begrudge them that as we are so much more fortunate in this country than in those where we are fighting an unjust war. In Iraq, at the moment, the Christians of Iraqi nationality, who have been Christians since the times of the Apostles are being killed daily simply for being Christian and so often I hear people sating we are a Judeo/Christian country. If so wht did we learn from Christ?
david
you are right.it is costing the australian government millions of dollars to keep these illegals.pherhaps we should have navy patrol boats.out in deep water in austraian waters and turn them around no questions asked
margcafe
That's another government mess, the tariffs. Another thing is Bigfoot said reduce the amount of welfare the immigrants get then maybe our country will rise again. ( I ARGREE ) Would rise again if the government would open its eyes and take a hard look in places that are not 5 stars with tax payers money and into communities and Aussies homeless living on our streets @ night. Multi culture worked many years ago, but now with the lllegal immigrants we cant even walk the streets. When will we be able to live in peace and harmony???? not until the politics stop and think of the real Australians trying to keep our culture going and having a history for our future.
Bigfoot
You are dead right Margcafe, unfortunately our pollies are too weak kneed to tell our many do gooders to sod off. Put tariffs back on imported products and reduce the amount of welfare the immigrants get then maybe our country will rise again.
rob1
You need to ask Morrison how he does what he has done. Boats have been turned back and very few to none are arriving. If your looking to be hysterically critical of the Abbott government try choosing a topic that they have not succeeded in.
rob1
So you should think we should all leave ?
rob1
Who knows exactly how anyone behaves or will behave
That said there are certain parts of the world that are more problematic then others. We should only let in immigrants who enhance our society not try to inflict stone-age ideas that just don't work on our peaceful society.
margcafe
l agree in what your saying. If it was up to me l would send them back, NO questions asked. I am worried about my children even with a education, they only have causal or part time work at this stage unable to save up for a house of there own. At home it's a strain on our everyday spending which we don't have. While more and more are let in to our country with unthinkable (Tax Payers Dollars) that could be spent on our children.
Sil sil
That's exactly right, i had this argument with someone who was taking advantage of our country & his reply was " If your giving it to me i will take it, its your own fault" i said yes it is, but you should have a moral conscience, but if these people did we wouldn't have such trouble. I am scared for my children what will become of this wonderful country. There is one law which should be followed, our rules are not religious based & what you do behind closed doors is your own business but for goodness sake, keep this country honest & hard working. I don't like feeling like im not in Australia, we should be more patriotic & not intimidated to demand our standards. there are a lot of countries where i would be shut down even suggesting a request...
Anonymous
Have you ever thought if this is how the Aboriginals felt? (And still do)..
ozziedigger
In a nutshell and quite emphatically , They are NOT welcome .Someone has given them the right to tell me they are going to kill me and you !
jann
Here here David I agree why cant they come the right way they pay enough to come by boat why not do it the legal way
Multismudge
excellent choice of words ..
they are not welcome when they come in this way..
..meaning that we will cheerfully accept anybody migrating through the correct channels.
I also have to say .. migrants ..
they are not welcom when they try to incite fighting, pushing us choose a side
they are not wlecom when they try to change our customs and way of life
they are not wlecom when they do not respect our judicial system
they are not wlecom when they use and abuse the welfare system
they are not welcom after THEY cry racial predjudice because we have our own customs, religion and traditions and want to practice them
They are not welcom if they do not want to integrate and become Australian and then fight and defend Australia.
david
you are of course right errol,it is our money the government has taken from us.it is sopposed to be for good causes like looking after australia and australias people.this is not happening.
possum
Getting out of hand is an under statement.
Just heard several detainees have escaped Xmas Island ????
These ppl arrive here expecting to be treated as invited special guests & be treated as top priority.
Conditions may not be as they expect overcrowding may be an issue.... hello... why on earth did they crowd onto an unsafe boat putting their childrens lives at risk ????
Yes they may have valid reasons for fleeing their country but there are appropriate measures in place allowing them to put their case to the authorities.
Who gives them the right to que jump becuse they have money to purchase passage, genuine refugees with no money must spend months if not yeaers in detention camps waiting.
Now we have illegals dictating to our Gov & the so called do gooders supporting their illegal act. We have laws in Aust & al ppl must abide by the law there's no discrimination.
I have said before the Gov must process ppl from the camps more efficiently genuine refugees must be given top priority. Stop pussy footing around push the Greens to one side & get on with what a Gov should do GOVERN for all AUSTRALIAINS.
errolsyd
What you say is correct David, only one thing wrong its OUR money not the goverments that is being wasted.
david
frilly,i am not saying sink there boats and let them die.i am saying they should not be here as illegal immigrants.taking away from australians who are in dire need.we should either put them in detention and let them wait there until immigration papers can be sorted out.which does take a long time.or send them back on the first available military airplane.
frilly
David how do you turn back a sinking ship? That is what most of them are when they are found, or the people in them set them on fire knowing they will be picked up/
Do you leave them to drown, men, woman and children?
It is so easy sitting here in our cosy homes to give out all these instructions. I too feel the same way but it is almost impossible to ignore them. They have to be stopped BEFORE they get on the boat. The Howard Gov. did at least seem to get the message through to them that it is pointless setting out from Indonesia or wherever. The Rudd and Gillard Gov. have managed to let the guard down and there is a boat almost every day now it would seem.
3lions
Well said David!
It is just getting way out of hand.
Lise
david
sossn.more people should think like you.legal immigrants are welcome in my book.illegals,go through the channels and i will welcome you to my country
sossn
I think he government is too relaxed on the boat people senario, they should really set an example that australia will not accept boat people in anyway that ther is only one way to get to australia and that is to apply for the appropriate visa and be accepted.
david
well said,moe
Moe
spot on David, they are not welcome when they come in this way????