COMPASSIONATE TREATMENT OF REFUGEES
Posted by: spabath
13th May 2010 04:32pm
I am happy that the Rudd Government is showing compassion to those people who are in danger of being tortured or killed in places like Afghanistan. We should open our arms to help them. Many people become paranoid at the thought of being "taken over" by Asians or Muslims. The boat people are well screened for disease and security risks. Why did the media create such a fuss about "boat people" being housed in a 4 star motel in Brisbane? I am sure there are many compassionate Australians who will wish all refugees well. We should ensure that they learn to speak English and receive work skills training to become independent members of our society. There are many so-called good Christian people creating chaos in the world. Why should we be afraid of law-abiding Muslims? Surely we should all develop some understanding of each other's beliefs and show some respect - this includes respect from the Muslim community too. The Federal Government should create a voluntary liaison group to reconcile our fears and the media should promote this to all fair minded Australians.
Help Caféstudy members by responding to their questions, or ask your own in Café Chat, and you will get the chance of earning extra rewards. Caféstudy will match these and donate equally to our two chosen Australian charities.
Comments 49
Sharkman
We need to have a system whereby we can monitor the numbers. These people have exposed a loophole in the system and us the taxpayers are footing the bill. The federal government should be spending our money and time on fixing our deplorable roads.
errolsyd
spabath> Compassion by the labor government is misdirected when applied to these ILLEGALS . 70 % of these bludgers are still on centrelink after 12 mths in Aus. How many bother to learn english, not many. Well screened , that is a joke check court records and see how many have been convicted of crimes since they have arrived, too many.Why put these bludgers in 4 star hotels when the greater part of Aussies on holidays cannot afford to stay in them!! Wake up dear these people take money out of our own Aussies that need help. Remember we have paid taxes all our lives they have paid none. 5 mill a year for cigs, 300 mil for health services, 100 mil for travel let alone ,accomodation ,food ,computers , phones, entertainment the list goes on. If they get upset the burn the place down.
Who are the fools ? WE for allowing it and our so called polllies whomtake our dollars and ignore what we the majority of Aus want.!!!!@!!!!!!
possum
how many do we allow in ?
errolsyd
Too Bl***y many. Reported in the Sunday Mail . Upwards of 1000 Iranians have had their refugee status rejected but we cannot send them back to Iran as they will not accept them. Bowen has a choice of locking them up indefinitely or releasing them into the community. Guess what he will do? What type of people are they? Do we want them released into our community? NO.
dingodan
Firstly , what Rudd government ? , i thought Julia and the boys knifed him last year .. Edmund Barton said it right as did John Kennedy when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country ".i agree that the majority of Muslims are law abiding folk . its the Hard line Fanatics that scare me with their talk of Jihad . The only reason we survived the GFC so well was that the Liberals had put the money aside for a rainy day. Have you noticed that the only apology to come out of Canberra was for the Stolen Generation ( that they had nothing to do with) but not for the incedibl Spending Wasteege or the Four Deaths that occured due to the Insulaion Batts
Rort .
Ah yes , the Boat People . i agree all Non Aborigines arrived by boat, the original inhabitants were able to walk here . But to say theConvicts were fleeing
harsh conditions is like agreeing with Sir Robert Menzies when he urges Parliment to increase MPs Stipend to get a better class of politician ? ? .The Government of the day in the late 40s and 50s got it right , you went where you were told and worked for two years and no handouts . That is the way we built this country.
drinky
errolsyd
Well said drinky
avanipatel
get rid of them
if they come to ausralia they will do the same thing here
avanipatel
get rid of them
if they come to ausralia they will do the same thing here
Anonymous
the thing is we were planted on this earth,for a purpose by the almightty...caring and sharing is in the nature of things....so why is it hard for us to care for each others....it is because iam selifsh?????is it because you are the same??????if are both the same.....in the good box...the world is gonna be a lovely place to live in....if we are in the bad lane(both of us).....i prefer do die and to live up in heaven.....the rich is getting richer...the poor is getting poorer...why cause....too many corruption in the world......
errolsyd
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.
debauchefashions
We must look after our own people and values 1st We don't want or need them
kirri
A good person is a good person no matter their race or religion. Once they are here it is really important that the children get the best support and education so they can be proud Australians ,rather than getting a chip on their shoulder by being unwanted and reviled from their first months here and right through the teen years. We actually need young working people to help support our social system- unemployed ,old age pension etc.
Australia needs moderates , not radicals of any religion so we have a harmonious society. Some of you Aussies out there make me feel scared . I feel nervous on Australia Day when I'm in the traffic and a car full of young men with the southern cross on the rear window and an Australian flag drives up and I look like a typical aussie! How scared would an ethnic family feel?Dont catch their eye or they might beat you up! I am really annoyed that this nastiness is taking over Australia day.
kirri
I dont think it is easy for the first generation of non english speakers to assimilate. Their kids can be so Aussie though. One of my second generation friends whose parents dont speak good english had a bad time at school but came through it and represented australia in the olympics and is a school teacher. He knows his parents are "old country" but cant change that much but he is very aussie. Everyone thought it was ok to rag him as his parents were "taking jobs from australians "or assumed his parents were on welfare.His dad was a builder but people make assumptions.
"I have never beat up an ethnic but your type maybe" I read your comments all the way through and thought this final message of violence really let your message down.
errolsyd
If these people would assilimate then we would not have a problem. I fly 2 Aussie flags on my car and an Aussie flag in my home patio, 2 flags on my golf buggie. I am 3 rd gen Aussie, my Greatgrandfather arrived on a ship LEGALLY in 1873. And followed Edmund Bartons creed on what it took to be an Aussie.
Sir Edmund Barton's ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907.
****************
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'
Edmund Barton - 1907
You are probably scared of your own shadow. Wake up before it is too late.
I have NEVER beat up an ethnic, but your type maybe.
19chris51
dirt STUPID
19chris51
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.
19chris51
A well educated and rational person! I hate to say this but where were you educated???? truthfully have you been to some of the inner west and canterbury regions of Sydney, I think you should pay a visit or perhaps to auburn,and then you tell us your opinion, some of these people maybe nice,but the majority are not in fact I can not really say on this site what i`v seen , sufice as to say i think you should be more rational,tolerance that went out the window, after having cause to be around them.
I also don`t think we should spend all our resources on training them, when we have so many Australians out of work.....putting them up in 4 star accommadation when most of us can not afford this, look after your own backyard first and foremost, then and only then Help others, not afraid of law abiding Muslims, but why should we change our way of life for them.
My Grandchildren have been told they can not have
christmas celebrations at school because it may upset the SMALL Muslim community, I am not really a person that gets upset really easily, but that is just wrong
19chris51
spabath, I AM a very open minded person,open minded enough to know that it is a waste of money, I feel bad for the for the kids, but reading what blondie72 wrote I do remember that, it was DISGUSTING,.. and you say people are screened for disease,how come we are getting so many cases of (for eg) whopping cough, the muslim community do not believe in vacination, my grandchildren live in Victoria and the school they go to has announced,... no Christmas celebrations for the children because the Muslim community will be affended... come on fair go, we are AUSTRALIANS we live in AUSTRALIA, not the middle east,.
Liason..ing does not help.. maybe developing some understanding of each others beliefs,should go both ways, we are fundamentally a Christian country, people should understand that before they get on the boats, and as far as putting them up in 4 star motels !!!!!! come on, you be fair, I am an adverage Australian from working class and I can not afford that
19chris51
are you CRAZY or what????
The media making a big thing of motel accomadation in Brisbane, so they should, no one else was telling us, I can not afford motel accomadation in Brisbane never lone 4 star,why on earth did the government do it, because of the do gooders, thats why.
In DO NOT believe our tax dollars should go to this or retraining, the Muslim community, should be able to have heir beliefs, but not to the extent they carry on, have you been ( for example) to Bankstown
Punchbowl or Canterbury, you can not walk the shopping centres in daytime feeling safe, never lone at night, is this what is good for us or future generations???? think about it spabath
blondie72
I have been to Bankstown and many other areas of Sydney recently Chris and I would have to agree that it is a scary place to be. What has really offended me though is the way our Aussie culture is slowly being erradicated because of these Muslims trying to change everything to suit them. One that particularly annoyed me was when the banned nativity scenes in shopping centres!! Have you noticed that on the labels of practically 'everything' you buy now it has a logo on it - "it is a circle with AFIC Halal Authority" on it meaning it is Halal approved! Even our humble old Vegemite has it - look on all your labels its there plain as day - such is their power already that they have made our big companies conform to their ways already! Be scared people, be very scared be cause the Islamic religion is the biggest in the world and it is going to change the way we live in Australia forever.
boocuddles
I'm a conservative Christian but don't lump us all in the same basket.The one thing that the naive don't seem to realize about a lot of these refugees is that many could be criminals in their own country and that's why they need to escape.For example,a lot of Tamils are coming here..why? Sri Lankan authorities are after the Tamils who caused so much death and destruction there through bombings and murders of people like Rajneesh Ghandi.I think we are importing trouble for the future.
david
your right of course.the tamil tigers cause a lot of disruption and death in sri-lanka.but you can only blame the australian government for letting them into the/our country
blondie72
In answer to your question quote " Why did the media create such a fuss about "boat people" being housed in a 4 star motel in Brisbane?" unquote.....ARE YOU SERIOUS? Do you know how many Australians and Australian families are homeless or sleeping in their cars these days because of the severe lack of housing?
No boat people. They are queue jumpers and it is not fair on the thousands of refugees that apply legally and wait their turn!
Bigfoot
errolsyd you are so right. the do gooders seem to forget the Aussie people that need help in the form of housing and/or a better life. Instead we give these ILLEGAL refugees cash, housing, and CentreLink benefits that real Aussie citizens ie Doctors, police and nurses and battlers should get.
errolsyd
drinky your name says it all! Wake up to the facts it is NOT the law abiding muslims that we are complaining about but the radical islamist's that are creating all the problems in Aus and half the countries in the world. Why are so many men under 40 coming here as ILLEGAL boat people? Why, when our brave soldiers are fighting and dying overthere to give them a better world are they running out here to bludge on our taxpayers????????? If you can give me a sound and reasonable reason then maybe I will cease and desist, until then I will continue to express my fears for this great country of ours , because our gutless pollies fail to do so!!! Evil prevails when good men fail to act.
drinky
Yes everyone should obey the law and it is surely best to learn the language of the land you live in,however , they need not surely have to totally abandon their original language. Some modality too is needed. We can also feel sympathy for people really trying to fit into a new culture.
Things may not always be either black or white.
drinky
Well said.
Redskin253
With a name like Spabath it sounds like you 'live it up ' . You obviously have never had daily interaction with these people !
Growing up in Bankstown , I saw it grow into the violent 'community' it is today. It is over run with the ethnic community and I now feel an outsider. Most people do not speak english because they don't want to , drop litter , abuse passersby , bully people in gangs , spit on people , damage public property and I could go on.
These are ALL things that happened to me while living there . I moved away 6 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did for my family.
I should not feel threatened taking my child to daycare , going thru the aisle at woolworths or taking a walk but I was and did.
Causing a riot to get their way is the only thing they know so why would that change being in Australia rather than where they are from.
People like you need to step into reality and have a look around . See how comfortable you feel putting yourself and your family near those people . NO PARANIOA HERE - JUST REALITY !
drinky
I continue to be astonished and afraid of people,who cannot seem to be able to try to look objectively at both sides of this problem.Instead they seem to simply tend to make statements that are one sided and often very biased..
Try to do some research, from the point of view and conditions of life in some of those countries,no matter what their wealth is. By point of view, I mean over several areas- like politics,economy,living conditions,culture,medicine,educational opportunities and the list could go on.
Not doing so tends to present a very prejudiced view,which does not show the good and bad on both sides.
david
blondie72,you have done it again.stay vitriolic and let the world know what you think.i enjoy all your remarks.well done and again you are right.4 star hotels for illegals.CRAP
errolsyd
I notice that spabath does not say anything in reply to my posting of Adam Barton?
errolsyd
I notice that spabath did not reply to my posting of Sir Edmond Barton?????
blondie72
Just plain common sense & courtesy. A courtesy that should be shown to a country and it's people for welcoming any immigrant into their land and giving them a new chance at a better life. Edmund Barton was spot on!
19chris51
that is so right, i have not seen this until now, but i thankyou now for making me aware of it...............RIGHT ON
errolsyd
Sir Edmund Barton’s ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907.
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'
Edmund Barton
1907
Every Australian citizen needs to read this! KEEP THIS MOVING
103 yrs ago and he got it right!!
blondie72
I will tell you what is narrow minded - I was working in Singleton NSW in the late 90's early 2000 when the Kosovo's were taken to Singleton Army Camp to be housed & fed, clothed and given gift vouchers to buy whatever they needed. When the bus first arrived there at the Army camp they REFUSED to get off!! They thought they were going to get beachside apartments!! After almost three days the begrudgingly got off the bus and treated everyone that was HELPING them like pigs! They spat on our kids in the street, shoved in front of us in the queues at the supermarket, and behaved like the ingrateful bunch of sods that 80% of them were!! That is narrow minded!! Do some research before all your do-gooding does more harm than good. There are laws in place for a reason you know and queue jumping (coming ILLEGALLY into a country) is breaking the law - fullstop.
blondie72
Son - I am so happy you were able to get here to Australia and escape the threat of death in Africa. You sound like a well educated, intelligent person who did the 'right' thing in coming to Australia the 'legal' way and most of us Australians welcome immigrants like yourself with open arms - happily! This seems to be the point the do-gooders seem to miss!! I noticed 'spabath' didn't respond to my post - that is usually what do-gooders do when they can't just throw your comment in the 'racist' bin. I am not racist at all, I do however abhor law breakers, rapists, murderers and the likes and it seems to me people willing to break the law are criminal minded - fullstop. I don't welcome a bunch of criminal minded immigrants - sorry.
spabath
Certainly not a bleeding heart nor a fool errolsyd. Just a well educated and rational person with a little more understanding of the situation than you are. People who insinuate that someone is a fool say a lot to me about their capacity to think clearly and rationally.
Son
Whoo Hoo Blondie72, glad to see there is someone else that recognises these people are queue jumpers. Where do they get the thousands of dollars to come here. Then they start demanding this and that and that their religion is superior. What a lot of hooey. I am an immigrant from Africa, (White) was told to get out or be killed. My family did it the right way and nearly lost everything, but we waited until we were accepted. So yes I agree with you about the people here and the migrants who wait their turn, but may never get here because of these queue jumpers. These so called Do gooders give me the heeby geebies and that's putting it lightly. They cause more trouble and heartbreak for others because of their actions. What is this Country coming too. Where we look after other and not our own. Sad state of affairs.
errolsyd
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.
spabath
I am not a bleeding heart. I do not lack understanding. . All I can say is that I am ashamed of the narrow-minded racist attitude that exists in our society when it comes to ethnicity. All migrants over the years have made Australia what it is today. I can recall when the Italians and Greeks were called "wogs". We have always accepted refugees. We have many Australian-born people who are unwilling to work and live off social security. There are plenty of opportunities in Australia if we want to learn and achieve. If we spend our money wisely and build for the future we would not see so many unable to pay their way in this wonderful country. The boat people are well screened and the criminala are sent back. GET RID OF TH PARANOIA.
errolsyd
Send them back, we do not need them or want them, the bleeding hearts in Aus are dragging us down to who knows where.
JOHN LESKE
GET RID OF THEM
debauchefashions
Totally agree
Smiley
Sorry I agree get rid of them. I ask you why the young men of these countries that pay big dollars to get on a leaking boat to come to the land of easy beats, do not stay and fight for there country of origin. If these so called refugees are true refugees, where did there money come from to pay boat smugglers some $15,000, because true refugees in the camps in Somalia have no money. I get frustrated when we have people living in such terrible conditions on the streets etc and hear that the refugees are staying in 4 star hotels in Darwin and of course now at Woodside. I do not trust any of them. If what I have said makes me a redneck, racist, frankly I do not care, look after our own first. We have already seen with the Muslims, that they do not like to mix among the general community. Where else in the world would a country (not of origin) let them build there churches? Wherever the Muslims live there is controversy. I have seen so many changes in our country over the last 50 years and I can honestly say it has not all been for the better.
Son
I agree with you Pixie. Get rid of them. Give the legals a chance at coming and accepting our way of life and not demanding their ways be accepted here. We are Australians coming here on our terms not theirs.
spabath
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.
trisha
You sound like a conservative Christian - no compassion, no understanding. We have either created or exacerbated the circumstances these refugees are faced with, now we have to bear the consequences. This country was settled by migrants and refugees. The convicts and original settlers were to a large extent escaping harsh conditions in their home countries,you wouldn't be here if the aboriginal inhabitants took the same stance. We have a big country, lets show that we have a big heart.